IPSC Striker Fired - Canik TP9- with No Safety - Need Clarification

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I am having a bit of a senior moment here.
I have a Canik TP9SA with a decocking lever but no other safety.
When shooting IPSC, can I have it in the holster cocked and ready to fire, or do I have to decock it?
If I decock it, I then have to work the slide to get that first shot off, which screws up my times and the "flow" of the draw.

Just getting into IPSC - did the black badge course over a year ago, and we don't have anyone qualified to run classifiers up here, so I am essentially practicing every time I go to the range.
Not sure when (if ever) I am going to be able to shoot a classifier. By the time that rolls around, I will probably have to retake the Black Badge Course.

Did I mention there are some things about living "North of 60" that just aggravate the crap outta me?

Thanks for your clarifications.

North of 60
Inuvik, NWT
 
Actually, it does have another safety...the same trigger safety as all other SA striker fired pistols. You would not need to de-#### it.

I assume it just has the same de-cocking button on the top of the slide (in front of the rear site) that the DA/SA version has?
 
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So if I understand this pistol, if you decock, you can never load 10+1 because if you do, you have to rack the slide and waste a round?

8.1.2.3 "Selective action" – Chamber loaded, hammer fully down or decocked, or chamber loaded,
hammer cocked with external safety applied.

Does the trigger safety is considered an external safety? If so, you don't need to decock.
 
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TrevorF said:
If it has a decocker you nave to use it.
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During a Black Badge course, an answer that fails to quote the relevant section of the current rulebook is deemed to be incorrect.

North of 60 said:
...I have a Canik TP9SA with a decocking lever but no other safety. When shooting IPSC, can I have it in the holster cocked and ready to fire, or do I have to decock it? If I decock it, I then have to work the slide to get that first shot off...
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If the start position is a loaded-chamber start, with the command of "Load and make ready", you should not use your decocker, and, if holstering your pistol, you should not use your decocker, but if the start position is an unloaded-chamber start, with a "Make ready" command, then you should use your decocker. Reference: 5.1.4 and 8.1.2.5 and 8.1.3

One possible explanation for the misunderstanding (i.e.: "If it has a decocker you nave to use it.") can be found in APPENDIX D4, where in 'special condition' #16 it says: Handguns with external hammers must be fully decocked (see Rule 8.1.2.5), at the Start Signal. First shot attempted must be double action. Competitors in this Division who, after the issuance of the Start Signal and prior to attempting the first shot, #### the hammer on a handgun which has a loaded chamber, will incur one procedural penalty per occurrence. Note that a procedural penalty will not be assessed in respect of courses of fire where the ready condition requires the competitor to prepare the handgun with an empty chamber. In these cases, the competitor may fire the first shot single action. The thing is, a Canik TP9SA doesn't have an external hammer.

Another basis for confusion is the 'SA' part of 'Canik TP9SA'. While the reasonable person might deduce that Canik means 'SA' to mean 'single action', the fact is that in APPENDIX D4, in 'special condition' #14, it says: Only handguns listed as approved in the Production Division List on the IPSC website may be used in Production Division. Note that handguns deemed by IPSC to be single-action-only are expressly prohibited. The official IPSC protocol used to measure barrel length is described in Appendix E4b. and - I will point out - IPSC, in it's wisdom, has placed the Canik TP9SA on it's 'Production Division List'.

Rules
<http://www.ipsc.org/pdf/RulesHandgun.pdf>

Production Division List
<http://www.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.php>
 
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I did my Black Badge course with my TP9SA (before I got my Shadow 2).

I asked this very question because I was confused on the whole decock a DA/SA for first pull vs decocker on the Canik.
My instructor said that the decocking rule applies only to DA/SA actions and not striker fired pistols that are on the approved list.
For one, it would put you in an automatic disadvantage.
 
It is a D/SA pistol. So you decock it and you fire your first shot in DA mode and every shot after that is in SA. It is on the production list so it can be shot in production.
 
yea i goofed. i just did a search on the TP9 in the title note the TP9SA in the post.

From Caliber Magazine "And now the massive caveat regarding the Canik TP9SA: the decocker design which was carried over from the original double action TP9 does not belong anywhere off the range on the TP9SA. On the TP9, the decocker, which is a large U-shaped button just ahead of the rear sight, simply decocks the action. But the double action trigger will #### it again with a simple trigger press.

On the single action Canik TP9SA version, the trigger can’t #### the striker. Pressing the decocker renders the trigger dead.

If this gun is never to be used for any defensive purpose, we don’t see this as a major hindrance. Conceivably, there’s even a benefit for a range tool; grabbing the pistol by the slide and pressing down with a thumb disconnects the trigger, and the only way to re-arm the striker is to rack the slide, so guns can be rendered inert very easily."
 
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