Is Barnaul 223 really 223?
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I have no clue. But I do know my IUR won't group worth a damn with it.
Correct...... SAAMI spec is 55,000...... but euro CIP spec is a hair over 62000...... Barnaul will be at CIP spec......
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Hey I'm looking for some 5.56x45 dies for my AR...all I can find is .223 ones, and I know they aren't the same!
556 is NOT longer than 223.
This is what I was referring to: "The 5.56x45 mm has a longer throat in the chamber than the .223 Rem." -Bryce Towsley NRA
I know .223 can be fired in 5.56 rifles, but companies should only be allowed to label ammo as what it is. If it is .223 then 5.56 should not be anywhere on the box!
Specially asking about Barnaul's .223 (5.56) in 181 series Mini 14 (manual says .223 or American 5.56).
The manual says yes to American 5.56, is this just a language thing like Sushi is Japanese even when made in Canada? Are Russian 5.56 made to the same specs as American 5.56?
PS: I sent them a strongly worded email as their website says 5.56 (.223) which is the complete opposite of what is on the package! These people are frigging insane! I think I'll drop the idea of buying their ammo in bulk and look for an honest American .223 supply. Any suggestions?
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I've got a suggestion.
Stick your know it all attitude back in your pocket and forget all the garbage about 556 and 223 and just shoot the ammo. There is no reason not to shoot 556 in a 223 chamber. Prior to the internet, millions of people shot hundreds of millions of rounds of 556 in whatever chamber and nobody ever heard of a rifle blowing up as a result.
Consider that a Rem 700 action is the same OD regardless of the cartridge. 223 or 300 Ultra Mag. That means the barrel OD is also the same regardless of cartridge. There is no fear of the action or bbl blowing up when the gigantic Ultra Mag is fired in that rifle. How on earth could anyone think the exact same rifle action is somehow going to explode because the puny little 556 was fired in a 223 chamber?
The entire 223 vs 556 hand wringing is beyond silly and always has been. It is the territory of internet nitpicking.
Stick your know it all attitude back in your pocket and forget all the garbage about 556 and 223 and just shoot the ammo. There is no reason not to shoot 556 in a 223 chamber. Prior to the internet, millions of people shot hundreds of millions of rounds of 556 in whatever chamber and nobody ever heard of a rifle blowing up as a result.
Consider that a Rem 700 action is the same OD regardless of the cartridge. 223 or 300 Ultra Mag. That means the barrel OD is also the same regardless of cartridge. There is no fear of the action or bbl blowing up when the gigantic Ultra Mag is fired in that rifle. How on earth could anyone think the exact same rifle action is somehow going to explode because the puny little 556 was fired in a 223 chamber?
The entire 223 vs 556 hand wringing is beyond silly and always has been. It is the territory of internet nitpicking.
The difference is in the chambering. The leade is about double the length (freebore) in a 5.56 nato chamber. ALSO, the rifling starts at an angle like a ramp, while with .223 the rifling edge is not ramped, more like a straight up/down edge. Both of these conditions can lead to high pressures if ammo, loaded to slightly higher pressures for 5.56, is loaded into a tighter dimensioned chamber area of a .223
So the 5.56 chamber gives the bullet an unrifled freebore section twice the length of a .223 chamber, which lowers the pressure some, and when the bullet contacts the rifling, the edge of that rifling is ramped to also help keep pressure spikes down. Put 5.56 ammo in a .223 rem chamber, and it has half the freebore, and a 90degree start to the rifling edge. This is where problems can occur if your gun is on the weak side of available actions, or your brass is bad.
So the 5.56 chamber gives the bullet an unrifled freebore section twice the length of a .223 chamber, which lowers the pressure some, and when the bullet contacts the rifling, the edge of that rifling is ramped to also help keep pressure spikes down. Put 5.56 ammo in a .223 rem chamber, and it has half the freebore, and a 90degree start to the rifling edge. This is where problems can occur if your gun is on the weak side of available actions, or your brass is bad.
My Savage Axis in .223 ONLY gets fed Barnaul 62gr .223 and absolutely zero negative effects or any signs of problems.
I'm put a good 1500+ rounds of this ammunition through this rifle and 100% functionality and reliability provided I don't short stroke the bolt myself.
OK, I really want to be nice about this but I am struggling to keep my head from EXPLODING!
WTF are you talking about? !!!!!!! Have you even ever actually looked at a chamber or a chambering reamer?
There is no modern chambering on the planet that has the rifling start with a 90 deg edge. EVERY chamber in every gun on earth has a ramped in leade from throat to rifling. If there was a 90 deg edge, the bullet's copper jacket would likely be stripped off or at least horribly damaged and the leading and fouling in the first inch of rifling would be horrible due to all the bullet material being stripped off by the sharp 90 deg edge.
I understand that CGN has a lot of iffy or bad info mixed in with the good, but you really have got to be kidding us with this?
For all the people who really think that 556 in a 223 chamber is going to cause your gun to explode. Here is a picture of a 300 Blackout fired in a 556 chamber. Notice how the barrel is undamaged even though it has had a .308 bullet rammed down a .224 bore. Now, do you really want to continue telling us how a 556 in a 223 chamber is going to ruin a rifle?
Yes, this is the point I was sarcastically driving at.
I have in the past asked for verified photos of blowed-up guns due to 223/5.56 mix-ups.
Never any takers...
Awesome cutaway of the 300 Blackout down a .223 pipe!
I am keeping it tucked away, as my go to sledge hammer to squash the idiocy.
