Is it legal to 'borrow' a handgun?
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really scott? when i got my long term ATT i specifically asked the lady : " i want to be able to borrow handguns from friends and family, can i do that?"
she told me i could, provided i had the registration certificate. i asked if i could simply go and pick them up and take them home, and she said yes. i asked if had to notify the CFC everytime i did this and she said no, but they would appreciate it if i did.
i guess it depends who you talk to on what day of the week.
she told me i could, provided i had the registration certificate. i asked if i could simply go and pick them up and take them home, and she said yes. i asked if had to notify the CFC everytime i did this and she said no, but they would appreciate it if i did.
i guess it depends who you talk to on what day of the week.
ATT's do not cover you if you go to a persons house and get a gun and drive home. Read what it says on them, it's pretty obvious. As well there is zero requirement to inform the CFC if you are borrowing a gun. Zero, nada, zilch. In fact why would you tell them? it's none of their business.
If I recall correctly, Ontario ATTs are worded so that they only apply to firearms that are registered to the ATT holder. That means you can only transport guns which are yours. It's all in the wording.
Bottom line: read your ATT carefully. And if you're in doubt, call the CFO.
Bottom line: read your ATT carefully. And if you're in doubt, call the CFO.
Slavex said:
true. i guess "Firearms must be transported by a route that, in all circumstances, is reasonably direct" is wide open for interpretation. driving to your friends house, picking up a gun, and heading to the range seems reasonably direct to me. picking up the same gun and taking it home so you can shoot it tomorrow because your friend won't be home for a week also seems reasonable to me. but, hey, i'm a reasonable guy, the judge might not be.
so long as you can legally back up your reason for being out with a handgun a person (in the west at least) could drive 24hrs a day with a handgun in their car. I am either coming from the range, or going to. But you had better hope if they check (and that's a big if) that your ####'s in order.
As noted above our ATT's don't list our guns, they simple state we have to have the reg cert for the guns we are carrying.
As noted above our ATT's don't list our guns, they simple state we have to have the reg cert for the guns we are carrying.
The Ontario ones don't usually itemize either, but specify registered to the residence of the ATT holder...
This is the hassle here. Its possible to "borrow" but you need to call the CFC and get an ATT to officially change the registered "location" of the firearm when not being used/transported to/from the range so that you comply with the terms of the typical ATT.
Also there is the purpose of the ATT. Here in Ontario I have one ATT permitting me to take guns to the range to shoot with them. And another permitting me to take them there (or elsewhere thats legal) for instruction, (teaching restricted/ATT classes.)
Silly or what?
This is the hassle here. Its possible to "borrow" but you need to call the CFC and get an ATT to officially change the registered "location" of the firearm when not being used/transported to/from the range so that you comply with the terms of the typical ATT.
Also there is the purpose of the ATT. Here in Ontario I have one ATT permitting me to take guns to the range to shoot with them. And another permitting me to take them there (or elsewhere thats legal) for instruction, (teaching restricted/ATT classes.)
Silly or what?
In Ontario, you simply cannot borrow a Restricted Firearm, No matter what. This is what I was told by the CFO. In simpler terms restricted firearms have to be at their registered place (in most cases that is your residence address) when not on a range.
Even simpler any thing restricted cannot be borrowed.
Even simpler any thing restricted cannot be borrowed.
For some reason Ontario is somewhat "draconian" in it's ATT permits. Things are generally more lax out here in the west however, I would be VERY carefull in borrowing a restricted weapon to anyone unless it was "at" the range and then let them borrow it. I know of no one who has ever run into any issues when transporting restricted weapons but you would not believe how very different individual's interpretation of the law are (police or not).
When I was on active duty in Cold Lake, I instructed at the survival training school where we would spend about two weeks in the bush. It was crown land and we were armed simply for animal / bear protection and I remember almost arresting a provincial game warden because he somehow couldn't get past that the firearms act does NOT apply to members of the CF while on duty and or engaged in authorized activities etc. He kept hounding a CI (Civilian Instructor) member of my staff because he carried a side arm (like the rest of us). For some reason he didn't think the civilian was authorized to carry a restricted weapon. I had to "tune" him in until I detained him for interferring with a military operation, his boss had to come and pick him up.
When I was on active duty in Cold Lake, I instructed at the survival training school where we would spend about two weeks in the bush. It was crown land and we were armed simply for animal / bear protection and I remember almost arresting a provincial game warden because he somehow couldn't get past that the firearms act does NOT apply to members of the CF while on duty and or engaged in authorized activities etc. He kept hounding a CI (Civilian Instructor) member of my staff because he carried a side arm (like the rest of us). For some reason he didn't think the civilian was authorized to carry a restricted weapon. I had to "tune" him in until I detained him for interferring with a military operation, his boss had to come and pick him up.
The seller and i agreed i would wait, altough i think it would be perfectly legal.
My interpretation is it'd be the same as if you borrowed it say from your brother for a week or two, as long as you are holding the registration certificate and followed safe storage and transport.
Better safe than sorry though.
My interpretation is it'd be the same as if you borrowed it say from your brother for a week or two, as long as you are holding the registration certificate and followed safe storage and transport.
Better safe than sorry though.
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