Is the Colt Delta Elite scaled up in size at all over a regular .45 1911?
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No, it is the same frame. There is a cut over the slide release hole to prevent from a frame crack. If you want a sturdy 1911 Dan Wesson's Razorback 10mm is specifically made for this cartridge using a ramped barrel.
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Other than the ramped barrel and increased recoil spring, I have not read anywhere that DW 10mm 1911s are built any differently. I could be wrong of course. My understanding is that basically all 10mm 1911 frames and slides are the same as their 45acp counterparts, albeit the higher end ones typically (i.e., forged).
The exception is the Springfield TRP. Because of the rail, the frame is thicker where the slide stop is inserted. Is this a particular stress point for 10mm 1911s? Haven't seen much to suggest it is, but maybe others have.
10mm 1911 will wear faster than the 45 equivalent but probably not by a significant amount if you stick to average factory loadings which are typically in the 45 +p range - 180gr at 1100-1150 fte. Hotter stuff won't wreck the guns, but will speed up wear as with any magnum ammo, so I'd probably use it sparingly in the 1911.
One of the more important mods in a 10mm 1911 if you do want to shoot it with heavier stuff, is a flat bottom firing pin stop, possibly paired with a heavier main spring. In this set up, more energy is dissipated to overcome the initial inertia of moving the slide backwards, instead of slide/frame impact. Don't just increase the recoil spring.
The exception is the Springfield TRP. Because of the rail, the frame is thicker where the slide stop is inserted. Is this a particular stress point for 10mm 1911s? Haven't seen much to suggest it is, but maybe others have.
10mm 1911 will wear faster than the 45 equivalent but probably not by a significant amount if you stick to average factory loadings which are typically in the 45 +p range - 180gr at 1100-1150 fte. Hotter stuff won't wreck the guns, but will speed up wear as with any magnum ammo, so I'd probably use it sparingly in the 1911.
One of the more important mods in a 10mm 1911 if you do want to shoot it with heavier stuff, is a flat bottom firing pin stop, possibly paired with a heavier main spring. In this set up, more energy is dissipated to overcome the initial inertia of moving the slide backwards, instead of slide/frame impact. Don't just increase the recoil spring.
But once....Cry once-
SIG SAUER P220 R5 10mm
The above does NOT have the frame battering issues or trigger bar/lever spring creep/breakage issues akin to a S&W 3rd Gen pistol.
The above does NOT have barrel link, slide stop breakage as any 1911 will have...ramped or non-ramped.
SIG SAUER P220 R5 10mm
The above does NOT have the frame battering issues or trigger bar/lever spring creep/breakage issues akin to a S&W 3rd Gen pistol.
The above does NOT have barrel link, slide stop breakage as any 1911 will have...ramped or non-ramped.
Buy a Glock 20. Ugly as a Highpoint, as large as a brick but proven and this under any circumstances. It will never let you down. SIG SAUER P220 R5 10mm pricey but like DANS40X said cry only once and you'll get a quality handsome gun.
The link system in the Colt or others made like it is the main weakness. The ramped barrel does make less battering on the same sized frame of the DW. Period. I had 10mm Delta Elite and did like it. If I would buy a new 1911 in 10mm Auto it would be a Dan Wesson.
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How many links or slide stops have any of you calling it a weak link gone through? Keep in mind way too many guys are pushing 50,000PSI loads through their guns because some guy on the internet said he was getting 50fps more velocity than them by going well over any reputable data...
There are stronger designs, sure. I have broken a lot of stuff on all sorts of 10mm pistols though. That's to be expected when you shoot them lots.
There are stronger designs, sure. I have broken a lot of stuff on all sorts of 10mm pistols though. That's to be expected when you shoot them lots.
I'm curious how that is. Can you explain? I always thought it was more of an issue with the brass, not the gun. Honest question.
Having owned a Dan Wesson Bruin, I don't disagree! DW makes some of the best 1911's period imo. I still like the Colt Delta too though but maybe because of name and heritage.
If you want to beef up a 1911 to the point 10mm is no big deal at all then a very heavy mainspring (24+lbs) and a flat firing pin stop are two excellent upgrades. Super heavy recoil springs batter on the return IMO, so I keep it at a reasonable 20lbs.
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. Double taps like nobody's business.Contacts on frame in relation with the frame is much larger with a ramped barrel, it is mated on a larger surface. Also better support of the case to the extractor and encase the cartridge more. The link system is fine for 45 ACP, 38 Super or 9mm but for 10mm... Colt did want to push the 1911 to 10mm but had issues in the first models. Frames cracked over the hole of the magasine release. Regarding those issues on their Colt 10mm they simply cut this part of the frame. Part of the frame cut, problem solved? I'm not sure... BTW I would not hesitate to buy another Colt 10mm, they are fine guns but it would shot it with more reduced loads like I do with S&W K-frames where I don't give steady 357 Mags diets.
