is the following MOSIN NAGANT a good deal?

Refurbed ones sell at SIR for about 150, including all the accessories you mention. Not so hot for collectors, as they have the "century billboard" markings (dot matrix engraving on the reciever) that Nyles mentions. There are so many mosin variations, that it's hard to give an accurate price without more detail. However, 225 bucks is certainly on the high side for 90% of the mosins available...
 
Yeah, I personally would pay that for one without the Century billboard, but if it had the billboard you're better off just buying one from SIR.

Course, I got mine (no import marks) for $30 at a gun show 5 years ago.... that has no bearing on the conversation, I just enjoy bragging about it.
 
That's almost as good as the Finn M28 I got for 50-ish bucks! Majormarine, there is a lesson here-you should still be able to get a deal on a MN. 225 is a lot, and unless it's a special mosin, you're sure to find a better deal if you hold out for a bit. If you tell us what you're after, we have enough mosin gurus around who can point you in the right direction and help you find the gun that suits you best. Hell, I've got a history packed M44 that I would sell you at a much better price than 225...
 
I"ve seen like new M44's (post war) go for $200-225 at gunshows this year. I remember when you could buy post-war M44 (Polish manufacture) new for $100 in the late 80's.
 
majormarine said:
actually, i'm looking for an exellent condition one (ie. mirror bore, no rust, no pitting, bluing wear only, etc). russian made and matching numbers. must be shootable too! :D
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$225 is way too much unless there is something special about it and I would imagine that would be in the add if there was.

If you want a shooter then you can find a good shooter for around $100 easy. I got an excellent m44 for $150 from SIR.
 
You should be able to get one for $100 to $150. The price goes up for better condition, all matching and laminated stocks. It is also hard to get one with a matching bolt for that price but it can be done.
 
hey, a while back i had a local seller asking the following:

1) The Mosin Nagant M44 is a 1956 model 44 in 7.62 x 54R .This one is produced in Hungary and is of much better quality than the russian ones. it comes with sling,ammo pouch and folding chisel bayonet. accurate gun in excellent condition. $275.

2) norinco SKS (not the D model). new manufacture not old service rifle, with a butler creek aftermarket full length monte carlo stock. It has the original folding bayonet as well. in as new condition. $225.
 
I'd pay about $150 for the Norinco SKS as described and the Mosin would have to be seen to judge. A Hungarian that is in minty shape would be worth about $200 maybe to me. Go to Gunboards.com and look at the collecter's forum. That one is all about Mosins.
 
My first SIR nagant (a 1915 finned Remington) was 60 bucks. That was a long time ago. A minty Hungarian would be more than 200 bucks-most of them saw service for or against the russians and show that wear, so a minty one is a bit of a rarity(at least as far as I've seen-someone must have a cherry one they'd like to share?). As for the SKS, they sell very nice ones at SIR right now for 180 bucks, tax included. Unless you really want one of those icky butler creek sythetic stocks, that price is way too high...
 
okay, more info on the $225 mosin:

- russian made.
- matching bolt and receiver. mismatch floor and butt plates.
- original (probably means WWII) cleaning kit, sling and ammo pouches.
- don't know if there is any import mark, but the guy said it was bought from lever arms in vancouver about 25 years ago.
- the gun has not been fired since the day it was bought from lever and still in cosmoline, but according to him, the condition is better than most of the mosins out there.

thanks suprathepeg for pointing to Gunboards.com. lots of info but can't compare prices between us and canada.
 
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majormarine said:
okay, more info on the $225 mosin:

- russian made.
- matching bolt and receiver. mismatch floor and butt plates.
- original (probably means WWII) cleaning kit, sling and ammo pouches.
- don't know if there is any import mark, but the guy said it was bought from lever arms in vancouver about 25 years ago.
- the gun has not been fired since the day it was bought from lever and still in cosmoline, but according to him, the condition is better than most of the mosins out there.

thanks suprathepeg for pointing to Gunboards.com. lots of info but can't compare prices between us and canada.
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I think it's a fair price. They don't seem to be as common in Canada at online stores like the US. I have a co-worker who has a beautiful 1938 Tula who had know idea what he had and didn't think he could get ammo until I gave him 100 rounds. Now he loves it.

It might not be worth as much without the bayonet though. I would knock the price of a bayonet off if he didn't have one. they don't shoot as well without.
 
An all matching Russian at SIR in minty condition was $150 just a few weeks ago. You be the judge. I wouldn't pay more then half what he is asking, thats just me. For either rifles actually.
 
The SIR rifles have the dreaded century billboard, and are virtually worthless to collectors. I don't know about the one you're looking at, but usually when the numbers match on a wartime mosin, it is because they have been force matched. Again, this is just my personal experience, and I could very well be wrong, but it sounds to me like it was a refurb at some point, in which case it's not worth the money asked. Bayonets, cleaning kits(worthless, BTW) and ammo pouches are cheap on fleabay, don't worry too much about that. I find that the bayonet only really makes any difference when shooting on the M44 carbine...
 
ollie said:
The SIR rifles have the dreaded century billboard, and are virtually worthless to collectors. I don't know about the one you're looking at, but usually when the numbers match on a wartime mosin, it is because they have been force matched. Again, this is just my personal experience, and I could very well be wrong, but it sounds to me like it was a refurb at some point, in which case it's not worth the money asked. Bayonets, cleaning kits(worthless, BTW) and ammo pouches are cheap on fleabay, don't worry too much about that. I find that the bayonet only really makes any difference when shooting on the M44 carbine...
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I dunno - I've seen ALOT of Russian FINN capture 91/30's with original matching bolts - perfect font match and all. I think most of the m/m bolts we see on unrefurbed wartime Mosins that aren't Finn happened during the import/export process back in the 80's when they came in - just one man's opinion.
 
here's another one i came across today:

1942 finnish m91/30 with front and rear swivels. cleaning rod. hex receiver. SA marked. forgot the manufacturer's code, but there were 3 letter in a diamond shape. bright and shiny bore with SHARP rifling!!! :D

matching bolt and receiver. don't know if it's force matched, but i couldn't see any struck off number, and they seemed to be perfect font match. the serial numbers are stamped clearly on the receiver and bolt. there are 2 serial numbers on the receiver: one is on top of the receiver and the other is on the left side of the receiver. no serial number on either butt or floor plate. NO IMPORT MARK!!! :D Arshin markings on the rear sight were struck off and replaced with metres.

non-laminated wood. no crack. matt finish.

good metal too. some pitting and some rust at a few places. nothing major. 75-80% bluing.

i personally handled this rifle today. haven't really talked about the price, i think i can start bargaining at $100.
 
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