Is there a difference between the CZ858 and the VZ58?

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Hey people,

I tried the search function but couldn't find this answer. Just wondering if there is any difference.

Also.....I know the CZ 858's are up for possible reclassification: so, if the VZ 58 is the exact same as a CZ 858, are they going to be re-classed as well, and if they are different, have the VZ 58's been mentioned in any reclassification talks? Actually, to update, I just read a post saying they aren't up for reclass, and neither are the 858's, it was just a shipment of full auto's that screwed things up and the RCMP aren't looking at reclassing them at all. Is that true?

Thanks everyone!
 
Vzs are new production rifles with predrilled holes for the side scope mount. They come with nicer furniture but fewer mags and no bayonet. Czs are former full auto military issue that have been modified to semi. They also have thinner receivers. As for the reclassification, all we can do is wait and see. I've read all the same threads but until retailers are stocking them again, they might as well be restricted. It looks like wolverine won't be carrying the 858 at all anymore due to a couple of botched shipments. (They sent us full auto). Did I miss anything?
 
The CZ 858 is the original Sa Vz 58 made by CZUB in Uhersky Brod, Czech Republic. They were suppose to be new, old stock, not full auto's converted to semi. The CZ 858 is not up for reclassification as far as I am aware. Wolverine said they got some shipments that were deemed prohibited and were sent back. That is all. The finish on the CZ 858 is ugly but durable. The furniture was the polymer injected wood chips. AKA, beaver barf. The rifles had two known gremlins. One required the bolt to be tabbed to fix it, the other required the sear pin to be shimmed.

The CSA Sa Vz 58 Sporters are made by CSA in Jablanka, Czech Republic. The quality control up until late has been hit or miss. If a CSA Vz 58 happens to throw brass about 4 - 5 meters away, then its likely the gas hole was drilled too large on that rifle. There is a fix for it and CSA provides the warranty to have it fixed. If this is not fixed, you risk great damage to the bolt carrier. The gremlins that plague CZ 858 are not present with the CSA rifles. the The CSA rifles have a nicer looking finish as well as furniture but the durability of the finish isn't so good. Probably because they knew most people are going to be duracoating the thing anyways. The CSA's are fine rifles and their warranty is amazing. CSA really stands behind their product. CSA is currently working on a .22LR version of the Vz 58 and is in final testing. A 7.62x51 Vz 58 has been considered.

Both are fine rifles and fun to shoot once you work out their issues but people think that since the CZ 858 isn't imported anymore that its worth the cost of a new CSA.
 
RSK said:
Vzs are new production rifles with predrilled holes for the side scope mount. They come with nicer furniture but fewer mags and no bayonet. Czs are former full auto military issue that have been modified to semi.They also have thinner receivers. As for the reclassification, all we can do is wait and see. I've read all the same threads but until retailers are stocking them again, they might as well be restricted. It looks like wolverine won't be carrying the 858 at all anymore due to a couple of botched shipments. (They sent us full auto). Did I miss anything?
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They defiantly aren't made on full auto receivers because they'd be prohibited converted autos although they are made with NOS parts some say they used never assembled auto receivers that were converted to semi only but that sounds like like a real load of #### and a half. Also might i ask what reclassification you are talking about? There is talk of cz 958 by wolverine but no details have been spilled yet, il have to ask them tomorrow.
 
Caleb314 said:
They defiantly aren't made on full auto receivers because they'd be prohibited converted autos although they are made with NOS parts some say they used never assembled auto receivers that were converted to semi only but that sounds like like a real load of #### and a half. Also might i ask what reclassification you are talking about? There is talk of cz 958 by wolverine but no details have been spilled yet, il have to ask them tomorrow.
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yah thats not contradictory at all.
 
VZ58 is the model of rifle. CZ858 is the Canadian civilian version by CZ. There are different variants and manufacturers of the vz58 model rifle.

Taken from Wiki: VZ58 Variants

vz. 58 P: Standard fixed stock.
vz. 58 V: Metal folding stock version for vehicle crew and airborne units.
vz. 58 Pi: Has a mounting interface for an infrared night vision NSP-2 sight, fixed stock, cone flash hider and folding bipod.
Automatická puška ("automatic rifle") AP-Z 67: Experimental 7.62×51mm NATO caliber version developed in 1966.
Útočná puška ("assault rifle") ÚP-Z 70: Experimental 5.56×45mm NATO version developed in 1970.
Experimentální zbraň ("experimental weapon") EZ-B: Experimental bullpup prototype developed in 1976.
Ruční kulomet ("light machine gun") codename KLEČ ("Mountain Pine"): Experimental variant with a 590 mm barrel (similar to RPK), developed in 1976.
Lehká odstřelovačská puška ("light sniper rifle") vz. 58/97: Experimental marksman rifle developed by VTÚVM Slavičín.
Samopal ("submachine gun") vz. 58/98 "Bulldog": 9×19mm Parabellum variant developed by VTÚVM Slavičín.

CZH 2003 Sport: Semi-automatic only variant for civilian consumption. Available with either a standard (390 mm) or shortened (295 mm) barrel. Limited production was made for the civilian market in Canada with an extended barrel length of (490 mm).

CZ 858 Tactical: A semi-automatic variant designed for the civilian market in Canada, assembled from unused parts from when production of the military versions ended. Available with standard (390 mm) barrel length on the restricted -4V version, or extended (482 mm) barrel length on the -2 version. The barrel is not chrome-lined in the -2 version unlike the military and -4V version. External components have a new varnish coat (identical to the coating used on original military rifles). A "Canadian" model is now also being offered based on the -2 version, featuring a real wood stock engraved with a maple leaf.

FSN Series: Newly manufactured civilian semi-automatic variants. Available in standard (FSN-01, 390 mm), with or without folding stock (FSN-01F and FSN-01W, which has a wooden stock and cheek piece), or shortened (279 mm) barrel lengths (also with folding stock), outer parts are blued. All variants with the exception of the -01W have bakelite stocks.

CSA vz. 58 Sporter: Available in .222 Remington, .223 Remington (5.56 NATO), or 7.62×39mm, these carbines were newly manufactured by Czech Small Arms, and not Česká zbrojovka. They came in Compact (190mm barrel, folding stock), Carbine (300 or 310mm barrel, folding stock), and Rifle (390 or 410mm barrel, fixed sporter stock) models. In addition there was a "Tactical" model chambered in .223 Remington, featuring a 410mm barrel, railed handguard, and collapsible buttstock. All featured synthetic handguards, although the 7.62x39mm Rifle model is available with either a synthetic or phenolic wood handguard.

Rimfire VZ 58: "Ogar 58" developed and manufactured by Highland Arms in Czech Republic, together with the cal. .22 LR conversion kit "Ogar 22). The conversion kit is intended for all calibers and variants of VZ 58.

 
Not only are the CSAs still in production, but the Century Arms VZ58s, manufactured in the US, are coming to Canada as well.
 
RSK said:
Vzs are new production rifles with predrilled holes for the side scope mount. They come with nicer furniture but fewer mags and no bayonet. Czs are former full auto military issue that have been modified to semi. They also have thinner receivers. As for the reclassification, all we can do is wait and see. I've read all the same threads but until retailers are stocking them again, they might as well be restricted. It looks like wolverine won't be carrying the 858 at all anymore due to a couple of botched shipments. (They sent us full auto). Did I miss anything?
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All lies...

Never made from full auto reveivers, ever.
 
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