Is this M1-carbine varient prohibited?

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This rifle has been several years in the making, a couple years ago I started inquiring as to buying one but they were no-where near ready to sell. Still not sure where they are relative to production, but before I waste time asking them for an update, I should find out if I can even buy this!

http://www.advancedcombat.com/sport/sm1.html

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It's not a drop-in kit for an old M1, it's a new rifle, new parts, manufactured in a bullpup format. Is this going to be non-restricted or prohibited?

I mean Come On, this is ####ing custom-made #### here. Not sure if they listened to Canadian gun laws I mentioned, but this is ####ing awesome right here :
Overall length 26" (661 mm)
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According to the link you posted it says:
The HEZITM SM-1 is a retrofit for the M1 carbine, which upgrades the M1 to a modern, state-of-the-art firearm
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,it sure sounds like an aftermarket bullpup stock, if so that makes it a prohibited device.
 
Silverback - But what if it comes with a new-manufactured M1 carbine inside it, and the M1 Carbine has improved parts, like the bolt?

SlickNick - Could you elaborate? I don't fully understand the legalities. I can make an SKS fire without the stock on with a tackhammer and a cartridge. (I'm guessing)


See the way I understand it the Israelis got the US equipment for making M1 carbines, and made a bunch for internal uses. and if you look at the barrel the muzzle is clearly different than an old M1.

So what I really need to know is if it's prohibited just because it's related to an M1, and a person could theoretically make an old M1 fit inside it.
 
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If it is a totally redesigned rifle that cannot be fired out of the stock it could be OK, it would be up to the RCMP to decide before it could be imported. The being able to fire out of the stock thing is some rule used in the past to deny the importation if other bullpup rifles, I am not sure why that matters but that is supposidly the rule.

Here is someting I found on the CFC site for verifiers, as you can see the Walther G22 was non-restricted then changed to prohibited due to it's bullpup design:

Version 3.3 of the FRT indicates that the Walther G22 is a non-restricted firearm with a “Bullpup design”. Please disregard that entry. New information on this firearm reveals that it is currently being manufactured with an actual bull-pup stock, which is listed as a prohibited device in Criminal Code Regulations. This type of stock reduces the overall length of the firearm by placing a substantial part of the reloading action or the magazine well behind the trigger of the firearm when the firearm is held in the normal firing position.

Since individuals cannot possess prohibited devices, they cannot possess this firearm in its current configuration. Businesses may possess it only if they are licensed to possess prohibited devices for an approved purpose. Affected businesses and individuals will be contacted with information about their options.
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http://www.waltheramerica.com/firearms/g22.cfm

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/bulletins/verifier/bulletin1_e.asp
 
That doesn't make sense, if you can import an F2000? I'd read that only aftermarket stocks for pre-existing rifles were prohibited? Stupid laws.
 
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Yep, the law looks at that no differently than a Mini-14 in one of those aftermarket bullpup stocks, since the actual rifle is just a dressed-up M1.
 
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Yep, the law looks at that no differently than a Mini-14 in one of those aftermarket bullpup stocks, since the actual rifle is just a dressed-up M1.
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They might look cool but they feel like crap and the trigger is awful. Not worth having even if they were legal - talking about the shell.
 
"...if they listened to Canadian gun laws..." They wouldn't care about our laws anyway. I doubt you'll ever see them here though. Not enough market. It'd be restricted at least. M-1 carbines aren't prohibited, yet.
 
am i correct that a real bullpup rifle cannot be fired without its stock?

if it cannot, then the regulation is really targetting on after-market bullpup stocks, which turn regular long guns into shorter ones.
 
A "real" bullpup, of "modular bullpup design" to use the RCMP term, has the stock and receiver as one unit. It cannot be fired without the stock as the stock is the receiver.

This includes the Hi-Point which was falsely prohibited to stop the tide of inexpensive 9mm rifles from entering Canada.
 
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Luckyorwhat said:
What would it have to have to NOT be prohibited?
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If it has a regular M1 Carbine reciever, barrel, action, etc, just set into a fancy new stock that makes it now a bullpup, it is prohibited.

Basically, to be a bullpup and no prohibited, it can't just be a rifle set into a fancy stock. The rule of thumb for this is if it can fire while not in the "stock", it's prohib. The FN FS2000 and PS90 are not prohibited as the receiver and stock are one piece.
 
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