Here's a fine example of where the shooter makes the difference not the kit. This guy is running an AK, you know, the inaccurate rifle that it is.
http://www.ultimak.com/AKClays.htm
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http://www.ultimak.com/AKClays.htm
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Its the shooter, not the gear...
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i thought the reason why the ak was inaccurate was due to the recoil of the gun, and maybe if it was manufactured sub-par, but if an ak is made with care and mil-spec parts, and the guy was firing when he had good shots and not in full auto, then this should be a breeze
A mil-spec AK. 
I would wager that the actual "mil-spec" for an AK is passed if it reliably dumps buckets of 7.62X39 down range.
Mil-spec doesn't imply a high level of quality and fit and durability...it just implies that the item is question meets the specifications set out by a military procurement department in the nation in question. Given that the original mil-spec for the AK originated in the 1940's USSR, it's probably not all that demanding in terms of precision. What it would provide is a reasonable assurance that mil-spec spare parts made in Vladivostok would fit mil-spec AK's that were manufactured in Leningrad. I wouldn't go out on a limb and vouch for tight tolerances in that fit
I would wager that someone that really knew the AK offerings in the US right now could assemble themselves a non-mil-spec AK that would be more accurate than an original mil-spec AK or AKM.
I would wager that the actual "mil-spec" for an AK is passed if it reliably dumps buckets of 7.62X39 down range.
Mil-spec doesn't imply a high level of quality and fit and durability...it just implies that the item is question meets the specifications set out by a military procurement department in the nation in question. Given that the original mil-spec for the AK originated in the 1940's USSR, it's probably not all that demanding in terms of precision. What it would provide is a reasonable assurance that mil-spec spare parts made in Vladivostok would fit mil-spec AK's that were manufactured in Leningrad. I wouldn't go out on a limb and vouch for tight tolerances in that fit
I would wager that someone that really knew the AK offerings in the US right now could assemble themselves a non-mil-spec AK that would be more accurate than an original mil-spec AK or AKM.
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AK accuracy is limited by a number of things.
The first is that most 7.62x39 ammo isn't exactly target grade stuff. Both the bullets and the loads are aimed at low cost production rather than precision. You can indeed improve things with hand loads.
Next up on the list is the gas extraction system and piston. You get a variation in the force on the barrel as things heat up. That tends to move things around a bit. Different folks have different theories about what to do about that issue. Some suggest locking things down hard, others like to make it nice and loose.
Ever checked the trigger on an AK? Massively yucky long gritty pull. You can turn them into something that's actually fairly good with some work.
Finally you have to hold them right. They are not terribly rigid, and force in the wrong place will move the point of impact all over the place.
Other than all that, then are pretty accurate rifles ....
Bob
AK accuracy is limited by a number of things.
The first is that most 7.62x39 ammo isn't exactly target grade stuff. Both the bullets and the loads are aimed at low cost production rather than precision. You can indeed improve things with hand loads.
Next up on the list is the gas extraction system and piston. You get a variation in the force on the barrel as things heat up. That tends to move things around a bit. Different folks have different theories about what to do about that issue. Some suggest locking things down hard, others like to make it nice and loose.
Ever checked the trigger on an AK? Massively yucky long gritty pull. You can turn them into something that's actually fairly good with some work.
Finally you have to hold them right. They are not terribly rigid, and force in the wrong place will move the point of impact all over the place.
Other than all that, then are pretty accurate rifles ....
Bob
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someone on here with lots of "time in the sandbox" said something along the lines of:
the AK is not as innaccurate or as reliable as you have heard
the AR is not as accurate or as unreliable as you have heard
the AK is not as innaccurate or as reliable as you have heard
the AR is not as accurate or as unreliable as you have heard
Hitting moving targets proves nothing about accuracy potential if you define accuracy by grouping on paper. The clay target is nearly 5 inches in diameter. He's hitting a target 1 inch by 5 inches (viewed from edge) at less than 50 yards. That means any 10 moa rifle could do the same.
Still a cool demo though.
Still a cool demo though.
Any 10 MOA rifle could do that. However how many shooters could claim the same?? Like the title of the thread says, its the shooter not the gear.
TDC
Well said. Very few shooters do enough offhand practice. I'm an old trap shooter. And after the trap season is over running shots on game can feel very do-able. I prefer to get the coyote to run most times! If I get him I feel like I earned it and if I don't I'll get another chance someday.
Not a tough skill to master, as for the AK big deal I've seen guys do it with anything from FNs to .22 Cooey rifles. The vid proves nothing other than the fact the shooter has practiced off hand and instinctive shooting.
I agree, the skills can be learned. Unfortunately this level of skill is neither practiced nor mastered by 90% of the shooting community, MIL or otherwise.
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Don't knock em like someone said above 90% + of us will never be able to do it.
The ability to make hits on small moving targets isn't something you think LE or MIL might find useful?? Compared to shooting stationary targets? It would take a lot of time and materials but it would serve to improve ones skill set.
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