Ive decided i need a shorty shotgun...
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For screw in chokes straight out of the box, you're looking at the Turkish guns, mostly.
Corwin-Arms usually carries the "Warrior," "Asena," and "Sinsinati" brand shotguns (though it looks like he has limited stock at the moment), Westrifle carries the "Armed" brand.
As far as I can tell, the "Warrior" and "Armed" shotguns are coming from the same factory, just branded different for different importers. I have, 4 different "Warrior" shotguns from Corwin-Arms (shorty single shot break actions in 12 and .410, and their long barrelled brothers), and they've all been good, solid, reliable little guns, if not the fanciest things going.
I also have a couple of the "Sinsinati" shotguns, which have ejectors instead of extractors, and appear to be a big step up in quality and fit and finish from the "Warrior" guns, but possibly the same factory. Quite nice and still at a very good price.
I have an Asena ZR7 semi-auto, and it's a fantastic gun at the price they went for.
There's also the "Churchill" short shotguns, some come with chokes, some not. Again, Turkish made. Several different vendors. I've seen them around, and they look pretty decent.
Oh, and I almost forgot, I have one of the 12 gauge Ricol short O/U guns. Very well made, and takes chokes. I can't remember the patter, but it's a standard choke (bought a couple different ones back when I got the gun, since forgotten the pattern).
They pop up on the EE every now and then, but looks like it was a one time run of these and done. Expect to pay $600 or more for one of these, even used.
Some of my shorties:
Don't let the Fudds dissuade you. These make for handy/useful truck and bush guns, effective for grouse etc. I'm very fond of my shorties, and am much more likely to grab one that one of my long barrelled shotguns. Just a lot handier.
For screw in chokes straight out of the box, you're looking at the Turkish guns, mostly.
Corwin-Arms usually carries the "Warrior," "Asena," and "Sinsinati" brand shotguns (though it looks like he has limited stock at the moment), Westrifle carries the "Armed" brand.
As far as I can tell, the "Warrior" and "Armed" shotguns are coming from the same factory, just branded different for different importers. I have, 4 different "Warrior" shotguns from Corwin-Arms (shorty single shot break actions in 12 and .410, and their long barrelled brothers), and they've all been good, solid, reliable little guns, if not the fanciest things going.
I also have a couple of the "Sinsinati" shotguns, which have ejectors instead of extractors, and appear to be a big step up in quality and fit and finish from the "Warrior" guns, but possibly the same factory. Quite nice and still at a very good price.
I have an Asena ZR7 semi-auto, and it's a fantastic gun at the price they went for.
There's also the "Churchill" short shotguns, some come with chokes, some not. Again, Turkish made. Several different vendors. I've seen them around, and they look pretty decent.
Oh, and I almost forgot, I have one of the 12 gauge Ricol short O/U guns. Very well made, and takes chokes. I can't remember the patter, but it's a standard choke (bought a couple different ones back when I got the gun, since forgotten the pattern).
They pop up on the EE every now and then, but looks like it was a one time run of these and done. Expect to pay $600 or more for one of these, even used.
Some of my shorties:
Don't let the Fudds dissuade you. These make for handy/useful truck and bush guns, effective for grouse etc. I'm very fond of my shorties, and am much more likely to grab one that one of my long barrelled shotguns. Just a lot handier.
I use my Ricoil 20g for grouse hunting too. Very handy as a "truck" grouse gun or when walking in bush expecting close grouse action. Shot a rabbit with it too!
Probably get more interest there. Those types of shotguns are quite popular with the people shooting zombie targets.
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Years ago my Dad went out hunting in Saskatchewan with my Uncle who lives there. After the hunt he (for some mysterious reason) left his Model 12 there for my uncle to use (I think my Uncle's gun might have broken during the hunt). Anyhow my uncle ended up using some reloads that weren't so good and had a load get stuck in the barrel and the second shot burst it. So my uncle cut the barrel back and installed a polychoke. The polychoke wasn't the Old Man's favourite so he bobbed the barrel back again installed a plain bead. Now when the gun is taken down the action portion and the barrel portion are exactly the same length which makes for a very packable package.
Sure, it hasn't got choke tubes, but to me that means nothing. I have plenty of other options that take chokes. This one does what is asked of it and does it handily. Given how cheap a person can get their hands on a Model 12 these days that would be worth considering.
Sure, it hasn't got choke tubes, but to me that means nothing. I have plenty of other options that take chokes. This one does what is asked of it and does it handily. Given how cheap a person can get their hands on a Model 12 these days that would be worth considering.
Probably get more interest there. Those types of shotguns are quite popular with the people shooting zombie targets.
And so he has....
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...cided-i-need-a-shorty?p=13892674#post13892674
The Ricol shotguns look great and work very well. Nice tight operation and look and feel much better than a $600 shotgun should.
Would also work well for deer in some of our shotgun with shot only zones.Probably get more interest there. Those types of shotguns are quite popular with the people shooting zombie targets.
You know, the hidebound attitude in the hunting sections of this forum isn't doing anyone any favours. The OP is planning on using the shorty as a hunting/sporting platform, so why shouldn't the discussion reside in the hunting and sporting sub-fprum?
The truth is, short shotguns are widely used as bush guns, farm guns, truck guns, etc., and can be very practical for a number of applications. The subset of this forum (and it isn't everyone in the H&S sub-forums, just a small number of very vocal people) that try and shut down any discussion of it, limits the knowledge pool that can be drawn from.
Personally, my short shotguns get used for hunting purposes. I have shotguns with barrels from 12.5" to 28", and the shorties make lousy "tactical" shotguns - 18" to 20" shotguns work best in that category. There is no "one gun for all purposes" and no need to limit the choices.
The Ricol shotguns look great and work very well. Nice tight operation and look and feel much better than a $600 shotgun should.
The Ricol is a very good gun. Better than it has a right to be at the price point. The ejectors aren't fond of cheap ammo with nickle/aluminum bases, but I can live with that. Friends don't let friends shoot Winchester White Box.
Slug performance was borderline acceptable. The barrels are well indexed, but it's tough to get better than about a 6"-8" group group at 50 yards. I'd like well under 5" at 50 yards for a deer slug gun. But I use rifles for deer anyway, so it isn't a major concern. Conceivably, you could put a slug in one barrel and shot in the other for certain applications. Usually when I'm deer hunting, we'll be set up in our hides in the morning and evening, and spend the day wandering around trying to russle up grouse. Having a slug in one barrel in case you spook a deer out if its day bed at close range could be good. Just have to remember which barrel is which, and hit the right trigger (which can be tough in the heat of the moment). Wouldn't do to hit a deer with bridshot, or vaporize a grouse with an HV slug.
The OP did not say he was planning to use this as a hunting/sporting platform. He just said he wanted a "shorty" shotgun.
No one is trying to shut down the discussion but rather direct the OP to a forum where more knowledge and experience with these types of shotguns might be found. The OP didn't find the advice offensive as he repeated this thread there.
And FYI the reason the shotgun forum was separated some years ago was the frequency of dumbass comments like "hidebound attitudes" and "don't let the Fudds dissuade you."
I have one of the 12ga single shot sinsinati with 18" barrel. I was going to get the 14", but the 18 is the perfect length when folded in half and they extra few inches can't hurt my aim.
It was bought as a truck gun, for popping rabbits and grouse while looking for bigger game. While I haven't used it in that capacity yet (didn't have it last year, and my 12ga semi is like 54" long and too cumbersome for quickly exiting the truck) it is a lot of fun with slugs! Talk about kick lol
It was bought as a truck gun, for popping rabbits and grouse while looking for bigger game. While I haven't used it in that capacity yet (didn't have it last year, and my 12ga semi is like 54" long and too cumbersome for quickly exiting the truck) it is a lot of fun with slugs! Talk about kick lol
I've not tried a slug in them, I was thinking shotgun only zones in BC where you can't use slugs. Usually these areas are near dwellings and/or farms so only shot is allowed. They often have thick vegetation. The Ricol shotguns already have illuminated rifle sights, and accept choke tubes, so would work well in these close quarter buckshot deer zones. We often do the same thing with midday grouse hunting, the slug/shot option isn't a bad idea at all.
And...there is always someone on this forum that get's excited if the barrel is too short. The action may be the same, and relevant information about various types and brands of actions may still be relevant, you might want to use the shotgun for hunting.....but if the barrel is deemed too short...Excitement ensues.
I picked up a Warrior lever 14" with screw in chokes. It is designed for 3" but it is a little light with good kick. Put a box of 2-3/4" slugs. Worked flawlessly... but you gotta run it like you stole it. Just the Point of Impact is a little to the left.
Jut noticed a sale on some shortys
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1582157-Below-cost-pricing-on-short-shotguns!
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1582157-Below-cost-pricing-on-short-shotguns!
