Iver Johnson Model 1900 blackpowder 22

[kodiakjack]

I’m told I’m to inherit an Iver Johnson Model 1900 Double Action revolver in 22 blackpowder. Made between 1900 and 1908 going by the serial number. 2 1/4 inch barrel.

It’s in real rough shape. The ejector rod is missing. Half the nickel finish has flaked off. There’s no visible rifling in the barrel. Evidence (evidents?) of a lot of dry firing on the cylinder. Hammer won’t #### single action...

So... first of all, I’m not a 12-6er, so I’m screwed right off the bat, right? As I read it, to inherit it under the exception to grandfathering clause, it would have had to have been previously registered, right? Which it wasn’t of course. It was found in a tool box in the basement...

So what to do with then? Sell it to a 12-6er? Is that still possible given that it’s bever been registered? (Yes, I know it’s probably only worth $20 bucks). The grips seem to be in decent shape at least.

Also, for curiosity sake, I know very little about 22 blackpowder... Is there such ammo available? I’ve seen blackpowder 22 blanks, but not the actual ammo. Would it be safe to shoot 22CB out of a 22 blackpowder gun? I’ve never shot a 22 blackpowder, but it’s hard to imagine it could be any less anemic than the little 22CB... Just curious. Obviously this little one isn’t going to be shot.

Anyway, here’s some pics. Comments and info welcome

 

[daBear]

Well, if it is a family piece, it MAY already be registered only 'you cannot locate any record of such'. In fact, there have been many lost registrations over the decades with the system changing as many times as it has. CFC/CFR have been very good in assisting families in order to keep heirlooms. Bottom line is it remains a prohib, and unless there is great sentimental value, it is worth very little. Trying to sell it without completing the registration process would be difficult and unlawful. Deactivation is an option but it looks like nature has already got a head start on that Failing all else, you can strip it for parts and surrender for destruction.
dB

 

[kodiakjack]

Well, if it is a family piece, it MAY already be registered only 'you cannot locate any record of such'. In fact, there have been many lost registrations over the decades with the system changing as many times as it has. CFC/CFR have been very good in assisting families in order to keep heirlooms. Bottom line is it remains a prohib, and unless there is great sentimental value, it is worth very little. Trying to sell it without completing the registration process would be difficult and unlawful. Deactivation is an option but it looks like nature has already got a head start on that Failing all else, you can strip it for parts and surrender for destruction.



dB

So an Executer can’t sell it to a 12-6er?

 

[Meroh]

So an Executer can’t sell it to a 12-6er?

Only with a registration. Even then it might be worth $10.00.

 

[kodiakjack]

Only with a registration. Even then it might be worth $10.00.

Really. Hmm. I just assumed the purchaser could be the one to register it, as they would know the drill, whereas a 90 year old widow may not have a clue, and would rely on the purchaser to basically walk them through the process anyway.

Or are you saying that, because it wasn’t already registered prior to December 1 1998, that it cannot be registered regardless of who’s doing it?

 

[daBear]

Again, it must be registered and in 'the system' prior to the sale. If you are attempting to register it for the purpose of sale, I can just about guarantee you that CFC/CFR will not attempt to assist. The way it sits now, without the gun being registered, the holder is in illegal possession of a prohibited device whether the executor or not(not uncommon with widows/families). Destroying the gun will not be a financial loss given its condition, as even if pristeen its only a $100 max gun. Its only value is in parts and then again, only to a collector seeking parts for that gun..
dB

 

[kodiakjack]

Again, it must be registered and in 'the system' prior to the sale. If you are attempting to register it for the purpose of sale, I can just about guarantee you that CFC/CFR will not attempt to assist. The way it sits now, without the gun being registered, the holder is in illegal possession of a prohibited device whether the executor or not(not uncommon with widows/families). Destroying the gun will not be a financial loss given its condition, as even if pristeen its only a $100 max gun. Its only value is in parts and then again, only to a collector seeking parts for that gun..
dB

From the RCMP:

“Information for Executors

While the Firearms Act sets out how firearms may be transferred and who may possess them, provincial estate laws determine the role of the executor. In Quebec, the Executor of an Estate is referred to as the Liquidator of the Succession.

While estate law may vary from province to province, an executor generally has the same rights the deceased had to possess firearms, while the estate is being settled. Even if an individual is not personally licensed to possess firearms, they can possess a firearm left in an estate for a reasonable amount of time while the estate is being settled.

An individual who is under a court-ordered prohibition from possessing firearms cannot take possession of firearms left in an estate. They can, however, act as executor and facilitate the transfer of the firearm(s) to someone who may lawfully acquire them.

If the deceased owner did not have

a firearms possession licence AND
a registration certificate for their restricted or prohibited firearm*,
they were in illegal possession of the firearm. This puts the executor at risk of penalties for possessing the firearm unless they act quickly to comply with the law.“


Ah. I see. I thought the executer had some sort of magical immunity for a given period. I see I was mistaken.

 

[daBear]

Not a problem. I deal with this situation quite a bit Not all have a happy ending, especially when dealing with antiques.
dB