mebiuspower
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IWI Carmel
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redshooter
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I’ll be really disappointed if this doesn’t shoot sub MOA...
Why?
Its an assault rifle designed to be used in combat.
I don't see any benefit in paying a lot more for my soldiers to have a 0.5MOA rifle than a 2-3moa rifle.
In Afghan/Iraq an estimated 250k rounds were being fired for each insurgent killed, that wasn't because everyone could see the enemy and was missing but because the vast majority of the time you cannot see your enemy and are firing at where they might be.
When you're within a 100m and better able to see things having a sub moa rifle makes no difference as to whether you can hit a man size target.
Aprilia Man
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I like the looks .... Would love to see this come to Canada.
Doesn't North Sylva get Canadian Tavors and X95s directly from Israel ? Maybe they can do the same with the Carmel in semi- auto configuration.
Dunno what rifle is uglier the Berreta ARX100 or this Israeli Carmel. Ugly girls can turn out to be the real fun ones in bed with the lights off. Maybe these ugly rifles are fun to toy with and use, if no one is looking at you to make fun of you that is.
redshooter
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Inside joke, some will get it, some won't.
mebiuspower
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mebiuspower
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So plastic = heavy? Have you ever held plastic in your hands before, like ever?
That how it looks to me, too. Like their Masada pistol, they're filling a market niche they don't cover yet - countries that don't want a bullpup (X95) or an AK (ACE). We won't see any civ versions of this unless some army makes a big order. Not sure how it'll work out for them, as it's also the market with the most competition. They'd be going up against HK, Beretta, CZ, all the AR manufacturers, etc.
The handguard looks chunky in the photo, but the geometry also looks a lot like the X95 - which actually fits the hand great, it's very comfortable to hold. I'd reserve judgement until I got to hold one. I wonder how much it weighs?
When guns are made of plastic, OK, glass filled polymer, it needs more volume to stuff in more materials and a trapezoidal geometry to create a "honey comb" to get to the strength needed.
hence, all the plastic guns are big, like the G36, ARX160 and the camel, and they are actually no lighter than SCAR, M4......etc. With the amount of plastics and metal inserts, they all have super skinny barrels to get down to the weight to be competitive against aluminum guns. At the end, plastic guns are no lighter than aluminum guns. Just like Pmags are heavier than aluminum mags.
So why is it plastic guns so popular? They are cheaper to make in volume in countries (especially in places with highly skilled labour cost) that do not buy 100K M4 a year, when you make that many guns the production scale is up another notch and the cost of doing aluminum comes down below plastic molding.
But plastic gun is not easy to make right either. Malaysia tried to make AUG and they screwed up royally. They ended up buying Colt's M4 license and back to M16.
I think the allure of plastic guns mainly occurs in the 2nd world countries these days, and the idea of licensed manufacturing and technology transfer. The supply of higher end aluminum stock to these places may be restricted too, so they tend to like plastic.
hence, all the plastic guns are big, like the G36, ARX160 and the camel, and they are actually no lighter than SCAR, M4......etc. With the amount of plastics and metal inserts, they all have super skinny barrels to get down to the weight to be competitive against aluminum guns. At the end, plastic guns are no lighter than aluminum guns. Just like Pmags are heavier than aluminum mags.
So why is it plastic guns so popular? They are cheaper to make in volume in countries (especially in places with highly skilled labour cost) that do not buy 100K M4 a year, when you make that many guns the production scale is up another notch and the cost of doing aluminum comes down below plastic molding.
But plastic gun is not easy to make right either. Malaysia tried to make AUG and they screwed up royally. They ended up buying Colt's M4 license and back to M16.
I think the allure of plastic guns mainly occurs in the 2nd world countries these days, and the idea of licensed manufacturing and technology transfer. The supply of higher end aluminum stock to these places may be restricted too, so they tend to like plastic.
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Fair enough
