Jobrook Black Friday Glock and R1 prices!!!!
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They also have quality Smith & Wesson M&P pistols for a great price too, yes, that is the pistol that Glock is copying for their latest "innovation".
Not sure what you're smoking but glock is not copying smith, it's the other way around. In fact smith has been sued for patent infringement by glock.
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Hmmmmm, Glock has the "new" interchangeable backstraps for different sized grips, a Smith & Wesson "innovation" a few years before Glock. The patent infringement was on the Sigma which is totally different:
capp325 got it right, HK should sue Glock, the VP70 was made 12 years before the Glock and is a polymer framed, striker fired pistol just like Gaston Glock's "innovative" reverse engineered pistol.
The tilt action design has long since lost its patent and is an excellent design. I'm referring to a safe action striker fired design. Aside from the gimmick that is interchangeable backstraps, S&W has done nothing but try to duplicate a Glock, and they still can't get it right.
Hmmmmm, Glock has the "new" interchangeable backstraps for different sized grips, a Smith & Wesson "innovation" a few years before Glock. The patent infringement was on the Sigma which is totally different:
capp325 got it right, HK should sue Glock, the VP70 was made 12 years before the Glock and is a polymer framed, striker fired pistol just like Gaston Glock's "innovative" reverse engineered pistol.
Well aware of the VP70, it was the first polymer and is striker fired, but it is in no way else similar to a Glock. HK apparently failed to see the gem they had as Glock made polymer mainstream. To this day a polymer HK does not look like a Glock, unlike every other wannabe copy.
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While it predates the Glock, is not really a pistol either...it was meant to be fired using the stock, as a true "machine pistol", firing in fast bursts of 9mm burst auto.
Now, we can argue for days as to which was really first, but the fact is, the VP70 was bought by basically no one outside of GSG-9, and inspired NO ONE to copy or improve it, while the Glock has sold 10's of millions under it's own name, and probably another 3 million from other companies' products that are simply outright copies of Glock's pattern. S&W Sigma, S&W M&P and the HS2000 known in North America as the Springfield XD series, are all mechanically identical to the Glock pattern.
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Personally, I don't see the introduction of a backstrap as proof that one company is "copying" another. I mean seriously, if you want to argue that, then surely you'd agree S&W is copying Colt's 1911, with it's flat and curved mainspring housing that changes the 'backstrap' shape...not to mention the grip safety beavertails vs stock A1 style. And yet, I seem to recall that other handguns in Europe had different backstraps too...like the Walther P99's and so on.
Come on, a Glock looks like a block compared to an M&P, I shot many Glocks and found out that I didn't like the kool-aid before I bought my M&P's, but there is no use at all trying to reason with you after noticing your sig line: "Glock kool-aid drinker preferred flavour: grape."
This is a bad thing? I don't have a dog in this hunt...this just doesn't seem like a valid criticism. Glock's do look sparten to me but it's one of the things that first drew me to them. Simple design, minimal parts...
Apparently sarcasm is something you don't understand. As for looks, who f**king cares! Its a tool not a mantle piece. Shoot it, shoot it well, and move along.
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It most certainly did inspire someone to copy and improve it! Glock copied just about every innovative aspect of the VP70 design: the polymer frame, striker-fired trigger mechanism, polygonal bore, and even select fire (Glock 18). You don't actually believe that good ol' Gaston came up with all that stuff completely on his own, without being aware of VP70's existence?
Poylgonal rifling is not exclusive to the VP70 and neither is a striker fired system. The Glock 18 is not burst capable, its auto or semi.
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Actually while I'm sure he was somewhat aware of the VP70, he was not a hardcore gun designer at the time, and likely was inspired by MANY different guns of the time. The Remington Nylon66, Pancore Jackhammer prototypes, HK P9S, that Mossberg polymer bullpup shotgun in 12gauge...I'll also bet he looked at early auto handguns...there was a lot of innovation around the early part of the century, I'll bet many didn't survive not because they were bad designs, but because too much competition in a crowded market and expensive manufacturing design. But having features worthy of considering for a new design.
But...H&K did NOT invent polygonal bores, did NOT invent striker firing systems, and did NOT invent select fire either (so I really don't understand why you bothered to mention the '18). ALL of that was in existence before the VP70. And I'm sorry, but the VP70 shares nothing schematically with the Glock.
Look, I'm no fanboy of either, but H&K did not invent everything in the firearms world, and neither is Glock the end-all-be-all. Was there some inspiration from the VP for Gaston's design? Yea, I'm sure there likely was a little...but how do you know it wasn't more from the P9S ? Or the P7 ? Did S&W's 459 inspire the Glock 19 ?
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