John Moses Browning was a Genius.

I was in Ogden last summer. Stood on JMB's front step, went to the museum and saw his prototypes of the 1911, the M2, the 92, 94, and 97, plus a great number of things too magnificent to relate.

I very much respect Smellie and his knowledge. The man has been places and seen things I can only hope to in my life. But in this matter I must very respectfully disagree. Perhaps I've had too much koolaid, but I hold JMB in high regard.
 
And Maxim never conceived of the M-2 Browning or the .50 BMG....:D
That is correct. Maybe Maxim had no time for smaller calibres. He did however develop a larger version of his machine gun called the QF1. It was a belt-fed automatic that fired a 37mm, 1 pound shell and was used by both sides in 1900 during the Second Boer War about two decades before Browning developed the M2.
 
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Don't forget his handguns. They just refuse to die.

The tilting lock mechanism on the barrel is pretty ingenious in its simplicity, and that is from my experience with the 1911 and tokarev series.
 
I have not had the occasion to get into the guts of a Vickers, alas, the chances of that dwindle with every day that passes.

Unless you're making me an offer Smellie? :)

NS
 
I have not had the occasion to get into the guts of a Vickers, alas, the chances of that dwindle with every day that passes.

Unless you're making me an offer Smellie? :)

NS

Brad:

If you really want to, I know where there is a Vickers on display at the Armouries. The barrel is welded shut and in so it can't be fully disassembled but the guts in the receiver all can be disassembled. I bet the RSM can make arrangements if you want to get into it.
 
I odered in an NRA affiliated book; A COLLECTOR'S GUIDE TO MILITARY
PISTOL & REVOLVER DISASSEMBLY AND REASSEMBLY.
Awesome book, it's by Stuart Mowbray & Joe Puleo.
Looking through it it is obvious that a Colt 1911 is not the end-all-be-all that it's made up to be. Some of the Teutonic designs are much simpler to service and work with.
JMB was good, definitely prolific; but a genius firearms designer...not sure.
The Spencer shotgun that the 1897 sold more than...Winchester got a little underhanded in taking it off the market. The Spencer was the worlds 1st hammerless design and utilized a horizontal sliding breechblock that allowed the breech to be unloaded and loaded while retaining a full magazine, that is cooler than a 1897...and I have a 1897 as well as an 1901 10 ga lever action.
IMO JMB was a very smart individual; but on closer inspection he borrowed a lot designwise from others.
Those nasty TT-33's everyone slags on? The Russkey's took the 1911 and tweaked it to make it simpler. That is no more genius than placing the 1897 pump over a Spencer; JMB took an existing design and simplified it.
Smart, hell yes.
Genius...maybe.
Firearms designing Demi-god...I don't think so
 
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That is correct. Maybe Maxim had no time for smaller calibres. He did however develop a larger version of his machine gun called the QF1. It was a belt-fed automatic that fired a 37mm, 1 pound shell and was used by both sides in 1900 during the Second Boer War about two decades before Browning developed the M2.

I'm trying so hard not to play the "length-of-service" card ;) , in response....:p
 
Sorry, guys, but I just do not understand this almost-slavish adoration of the Works of Saint John Moses Browning.

Sure, he designed and built a gas-operated machine-gun. The Model 1895 was introduced 12 years after Maxim had filed the basic patents.

And he designed a water-cooled, recoil-operated machine-gun, the M-1917. This was 33 years after Maxim had filed the basic patents, 26 years after the British Army had adopted the superb 1891 Maxim. The frames on the 1917 broke in half in service, hence the reinforcing-strip rivetted to the middle of the frames.... and the ensuant redesign of the frame of the gun. Product improvement CAN help a designer at times. But Maxim frames didn't break, mainly because the design of the entire gun was based on controlled motion; there were no big, heavy parts slamming back and forth inside a Maxim.

The legendary, wonderful BAR is a replacement for the CSRG (Chauchat), a gun which has been termed "unquestionably the worst machine gun ever constructed". With this kind of competition, it's no wonder the thing looked good. The Poles and the Belgians did the most effectual mods on this gun. The Bren is a FAR better design.

The 1911 .45? I have one. It is the only firearm I own which RATTLES when it is shaken. Lugers don't rattle. Webleys don't rattle. The 1911/12 Steyr doesn't rattle. I wouldn't want to stand in front of it, but I sure wouldn't be too confident behind it, either. Mark VI Webley is a far better combat gun: it ALWAYS works.

Believe me, you will develop a different appreciation of the genius of John Moses Browning after you have been faced with 200 copies of his designs, all in one lump, all requiring complete disassembly, servicing, cleaning and repair, none of which has been touched in the past half-century, many of which have not been touched in a century! Too many parts, too many odd shapes. A lot of his designs can't even be built today because most machine-shops have scrapped their shapers and there don't seem to be any new ones being built on this continent.

The ubiquity of Browning's designs is down to a couple of factors:

1. They are American, and the WWI propaganda machine still hasn't stopped, the WW2 propaganda machine still is in high gear.

2. PRODUCTION: if you have 3/4 of a million .50-cal guns and a couple of million .30-cal guns already on hand, there's not really a heck of a lot of incentive to make new ones.

The proliferation of the designs can be partly accounted for by American political pressure in the Cold War. Remember, when Eisenhower forced John Diefenbaker to scrap and destroy utterly the Arrow (thus saving the US aerospace industry's butt for it), Canada was forced to purchase the Bomarc ("The World's Fastest Sandbag") ONE WEEK before the US announced its obsolescence..... and a pile of WW2-surplus Brownings which just now are being done away with finally. But even this politically-based proliferation can be accounted for in part by the sheer numbers produced.

We also have to look at the time period and the political climates in the various countries. Maxim was designing in a period in which a new invention was admired and greeted with interest. John Browning was designing in a period in which Americans were free to invent firearms. But times have changed. Place these developments in the Canada of today and you are looking at so many years in jail that you will NEVER see your pension cheque. Does the name Cliff Douglas ring a bell? It should: the last progressive Canadian automatic firearms designer.... nearly 50 years ago. At least he managed to stay out of jail, but he did no more designing.

Just trying to put things in some kind of perspective.

I guess I'm gonna be thrown outta the Church of Saint John Moses Browning, huh?
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Me thinks you overlook the fact that Browning's designs were simpler and more suited for mass production, than his predecessors. :D Hell, even British aircraft were armed with Browning designed machine guns. Japs copied the .50 . Pick a recoil operated handgun and chances are good it's based on a Browning design. Canada's political climate has never been entrepreneur oriented, which meant anybody with an origanal idea, headed south.

Grizz
 
The tank machine guns in the M-60A1 tank, in Fort Hood in 1978, with the 3/10 Cav, were the M-85 .50 cal. mounted in the TC's cuppola, and the M-73 7.62 mm, co-axially mounted with the main armament.

We transitioned from .50 and 7.62 Brownings on Lynx in Petawawa Ontario to the M-85 and M-73 on the M-60A1 tanks in Ft Hood. It was not a happy transition, and even the Americans had a hard time keeping them working. Everyone preferred the Brownings.

That was then. I would take an MG-3 or PKM over our present C-6 (MAG 58), and I would trial the new light 12.7 mm the Rooskies have just brought out.

Oh, the Yanks didn't make us cancel the Arrow - we couldn't afford it. They would have loved it if we could have made a go of it, and put a hundred of them in our Air Defence Command, but AVRO Canada was out of their comfort zone: The lessons AVRO should have learned from screwing up the CF-100 were not taken to heart, and they were deemed NOT to big to fail. US, Brit and Russian programs were also cancelled now and then - leading edge is bleeding edge. We had a limited budget, Canada was in an economic slowdown, and the RCAF had been given by NATO a share of the low-level nuclear strike mission in Yerp and needed to acquire aircraft for that. Not to mention Hercs to replace the Flying Box-Cars, new Radar Bases to be built or taken over from the USAF, gap-filler sites, etc. The RCN needed stuff, the Army needed APCs, you get the picture.
 
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