Jungle Carbine Identification Questions

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Hey all,

Quick question here - I have a minty Jungle Carbine that I am thinking about putting up for sale, but some questions I have about it have given me pause. The reciever is stamped england 47, but the butt stock does not have the rubber recoil pad, it just has a standard buttplate. Does this mean that it is a clone and are their other ways of identifying its authenticity?

Cheers,
Duncan
 
Posting detailed pictures is the best way to identify it----especially close up ones of the receiver area. There are places that have been milled off to provide lighter weight, especially on the receiver and barrel area. Also, the rear micrometer sight markings.

A butt stock with no recoil pad is not a good sign.
 
Not a good sign, as buffdog said, because what you have may be a No.4 that had the barrel shortened with a No.5 flash hider/foresight installed to make it look like a "jungle carbine" but it's not necessarily so. The correct butt stock is a bit short for many. Replacing it with a No.4's butt stock is an easy modification so it is possible that you have an authentic No.5 that someone changed the butt stock on and it would likewise be easy to put the correct wood back on a real No.5 if that's what you have. The rear sight mechanism is the same on a No.4 and No. 5 but the former is graduated to 1300 yards and the latter to only 800. Again, the rear sight can be removed and replaced so if it isn't right it isn't absolute proof of anything. The impratically expensive part to fake is the lightening cuts that buffdog refers to on the receiver and on the knox form of the barrel. Pictures will tell the tale. Show us shots of both sides of the receiver between the rear sight and the charger bridge and take off the top forewood to get a shot of the top of the barrel immediately ahead of the breech.
 
A No5 Rifle should have a rear sight that goes to "only" 800, and a 1947 one should show an engraving something like this



1947 was the last year of production for the No5 - production was ordered stopped in September

It's possible you do have a No5 that someone mounted a standard stock on - different lengths of standard stocks were available, so a taller shooter might find a long stock more comfortable
 
Well, had a look over. Very interesting, my Jungle Carbine has an 800yd sight, a hole in the bolt knob, and the larger area milled out under the sight. Apparently all things that lend it some legitamacy, except of course for the incorrect buttstock. After fondling it to check that I realize how good looking a rifle she actually is, I think I may have to keep her afterall.
 
The hollowed out bolt knob is correct for a No.5 but not exclusive to them. Some No.4s got them at the factory and once in service either type of rifle might get the other type of bolt as a replacement part if that's all a field workshop had on hand.
 
Like Tooner says, it's likely a No. 5 with a No. 4 butt stock. Without the India rubber butt plate, it's not 'minty'.
The 'England' stamp is an export mark.
 
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