jungle carbine No. 5 mk I ROF (F) 9/45

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well i now own 3 enfields and this jungle carbine No. 5 mk I ROF (F) 9/45 is in great shape a beautful walnut stock, the only other markings i see are the serial number and England, i think ive done really well on it, i would love to find a bayonet

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The only problem I noticed was that it has the wrong rear sight - easily remedied. It should have a machined rear sight graduated to 800 yards (if I recall correctly). You should be able to find one at a gunshow or gunsmith with a little hunting around. Nice score.
 
The only problem I noticed was that it has the wrong rear sight - easily remedied. It should have a machined rear sight graduated to 800 yards (if I recall correctly). You should be able to find one at a gunshow or gunsmith with a little hunting around. Nice score.

Quite right, that sight has the wrong graduations & so is for a No4 but not all No5 rear sights were the machined type, there was also a pressed steel type similar to the one fitted above but graduated to 800.

 
Kind of amazing that they put that kind of wood on a battle rifle. Doing it now would cost a fortune. So will a bayonet, if you ever find one. Sadly about the same as what you paid for the rifle.
The 'England' stamp is a U.S. required thing. Similar to the Brit export proof stamps.
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I sold off all of my No5 rifles, except for 3. The differences include stock fore ends banded or plain and rear sights. I have only run across 2 stamped rear sights and both have been on unissued rifles.

I don't know enough about them and couldn't get any clarification in the Lee Enfield Story but I suspect the stamped rear sights were changed out at first opportunity on issue rifles.

From others I've talked to, with a lot more knowledge than I have, they aren't rare but not common either.

IMHO, they should add a bit of extra value to the rifle, if only for the uniqueness.

An issue British bayonet for that rifle will run close to $400 if you want it in similar condition to the rifle. You can pick up an Indian made reproduction, for their forces and the civi market for $75 shipped from IMA in the US. These may or may not need fitting.
 
well a friend of mine seems to be a bit jelly........he says this is a fake, has to be he says, he has been using good info but out of context, he says (it looks like a copy from after 1947. They are quite common with the jungle carbine) he than shot this out as a refance..... http://www.gundigest.com/gun-collec...gun-collecting-the-british-303-jungle-carbine really focus on the last paragraph he tells me.............and i sigh, and try to point out the obvious but he seems to have missed somthing and now he wants to take it to our group page i really dont want to make a fool of the guy, my rifle seems to line up, from the barrel cuts to the model and matching numbers and markings, hes so damn insiant hes got me asking my self is it a fake, the only thing off is the rear sight maybe?
 
Anyone can change a rear sight, and it could have been done by an armourer while the rifle was in service, as a temporary fix that never got remedied. Milling the lightening cuts into the receiver and the knox form of a No.4 to fake a No.5 is a big undertaking, and then the serial number would be a different format, so to make a convincing fake that would have to be milled off and the receiver refinished and re-stamped. There wasn't that much money to be made from faking it. Yours has the tell-tale lightening cut on the left side of the receiver between the rear sight mount and the charger bridge. A No.4 would be vertical all the way on that side. You have a real No.5 receiver. The hollowed out bolt handle knob is correct, though some of those made it onto No.4 rifles. If you take off the upper handguard you will probably find lightening cuts in the knox form which would be consistent with a No.5 barrel. There are reproduction flash hider/foresight/bayonet lug units but yours looks genuine and original.

The article cited is not an entirely reliable authority. He's right about Jungle Carbine never having been an official designation, but the shortened, lightened variant of the No.4 was also not developed for jungle use. It was developed for airbourne troops in the European theatre, though few were issued there before hostilities ended. Most of the jungle and other tropical service that led to the nickname took place post WWII in the Far East and Africa. And the close copies of the No.5 made from the No.4 that he says are hard to tell apart are not hard to tell apart if you know what to look for. (And if someone is going to write articles advising people on what's collectible, he should know what to look for, it isn't hard to find out.)
 
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well i posted this with my pics, clear to me.....lol he was there when i bought it and my 1918 i think maybe he wanted it and thats why hes a bit jelly

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I really wish i had a reason for someone adding this rear sight to the rifle it seems to fit the idea of "taking steps" to get it as light as you can, it sure looks right, i know its from a No. 4 but its quarky....
 
OP, your rifle isn't a fake. As for the repro bayonet you picked up, India bought thousands of No5 rifles without bayonets and needed to acquire some. The best and cheapest method of doing so was to make them.

RFI marked bayonets will be found with different finishes. The bayo in the ad is built for the commercial market and has a polished finish. Same goes for the scabbard. The RFI milspec bayos are finished in a similar manner to the British milspec bayos.

They stick a bit on some No5s and won't even start on others. Don't alter the rifle to make them fit. Yes, I saw that happen recently.

They are quite easily modified to slip on easily. A bit of judicious filing in the slot will work wonders.

As for why someone changed out the rear sight, I can remember people changing them out because they thought they would turn their rifles into long range shooters because the numbers on the sight were higher. There were also scope bases available that fit into the same position and were held there by the same pin.

Who knows? It could be a preempted attempt at a bubba that stopped at taking off the proper rear sight and lost it in the process.
 
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the sight on your rifle is correct. It wasn't changed out. It left the factory that way.

I cant find anywhere the op mentioned he brought it from a gunshop called "the Factory" or that he brought it from someone who worked in a factory & thats where he picked it up.
 
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