Just how good (or bad) is the Lockhart Tactical Raven 5.56 NATO Modular Semi-automatic Rifle - NON-RESTRICTED???

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Hey everyone looking into non-restricted 5.56 rifles and want to get as much info as I can before I drop a ton of money into it. I have my eyes on the Lockhart Tactical Raven 5.56 NATO Modular Semi-automatic Rifle.

What is your experience with them? The good the bad and the ugly? Quality? Customer service? Bang for your Buck? Things to get or avoid?

Also open to hear any other suggestions/recommendations for a non restricted 5.56.
Cheers.
 
Zero issues for the last year. Adjust the gas system out the box and these rifles run awesome. Hard to go to the range without taking this rifle!
 
I put a NF SHV 3-10 on mine, gen2 charging handle, brass deflector, triggertech competition trigger, Leupold uni mount, Spartan Mlok adaptor, Harris bipod adaptor, 6 slot pic rail. It’s my dedicated coyote gun. I really like it and can get 1/2” groups with handloads. Coyotes don’t like it much though.
 
Avoid posting the exact same post in two different sections of the forum, but aside from that, feel free to check out these threads. Tonnes of info about the different options, tonnes of user feedback, etc

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...cal-raven-platinum-edition-223-wylde.2408615/

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/would-appreciate-your-feedback-raven-556.2435644/

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/lockhart-tactical-556-build-kits.2424970/

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/lockhart-tactical-factory-seconds.2414345/

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/lockhart-raven-precision-test-complete.2410707/

(Also, I know there is irony in my post when I copy/paste the same response into both the OP's original post after I said not to do that :LOL: )
 
Thanks DiMP, that's a good list of some helpful content. And you're right about not cross-posting the same question in different subforums (this is probably the right location). Not sure if that's a CGN rule, but it's generally good forum etiquette.

I see what you guys are saying about using the search function, but I don't think there's a requirement to do that before asking a question. It is a discussion forum, after all.

Plus, I think it's fair to start a new thread on a familiar topic every once in a while. Personally I'd like to see more discussion in the black rifles subforum.
 
I think the biggest thing Lockhart needs to do at this point is streamline their manufacturing process.

Get rid of the infinite number of optional features.
Just make one standardized rifle.
 
I think the biggest thing Lockhart needs to do at this point is streamline their manufacturing process.

Get rid of the infinite number of optional features.
Just make one standardized rifle.
They probably make more money this way because it isn't like people are buying these by the boatload. This country doesn't have that many gun owners, all things considered, and even less that are looking for this rifle specifically.
 
I think the biggest thing Lockhart needs to do at this point is streamline their manufacturing process....
Maybe they can't. Or don't want to.

They probably make more money this way because it isn't like people are buying these by the boatload. ...
Could be, hard to say from the outside. It sure seems like a niche product compared to some.

I'm really curious about how many of these rifles are actually out there. 100? 1000? 10000? Despite the Raven being a popular topic of internet conversation in Canada, there really aren't all that many reviews from owners.
 
" I'm really curious about how many of these rifles are actually out there. "

I think the number is quite low.
Mainly because they can't produce them very quickly.

Their manufacturing process is basically making every rifle as a custom rifle.
That's a horribly slow and tedious way to manufacture anything.
 
I ordered in late May and serial numbers were over 3800. It is taking a while, but that was listed on the website as 12-16 weeks wait time. Communication was an email every Friday for the first 6 weeks on progress, but nothing after the last one that said final inspection and packaging. I did ask how things were going and heard last week, it would be before the 16 week deadline.

I have waited to see reviews on here and youtube to see how things progressed. As with anything, I never buy the latest, newest, greatest first run. I prefer to wait and let the gen. 1, gen. 2 etc. of anything to get the bugs out. I particularly watch all the reviews and updates that Bartok5 does on the firearms he has tried, as they are always well written, honest, and thoughtful, without B.S..

Looking forward to that parcel arriving and hoping it won't be too much longer.

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I have waited to see reviews on here and youtube to see how things progressed. As with anything, I never buy the latest, newest, greatest first run. I prefer to wait and let the gen. 1, gen. 2 etc. of anything to get the bugs out. I particularly watch all the reviews and updates that Bartok5 does on the firearms he has tried, as they are always well written, honest, and thoughtful, without B.S..
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Thanks for the kind words, OCanada! Very much appreciated. Here are my thoughts concerning NR, semi-auto, 5.56mm rifles in Canada.

Of the NR 5.56mm semi-automatic rifles currently manufactured in Canada, the LTAC Raven is IMHO, the best of the bunch. I am not particularly wed to the "Internal Piston" (so-called "Direct-Impingement") operating system, nor do I favour either Short-Stroke Piston" or "Long-Stroke Piston" operation. The Internal Piston designs such as the AR15 and the Raven have without question the softer recoil impulse. Piston operating systems tend to have a more abrupt mechanical type of operation, resulting in more pronounced recoil.

Aside from the recoil impulse, assuming that they are properly designed, one operating system is as good as the next. Each have their inherent advantages and disadvantages but at the end of the day any operating system will offer acceptable performance in terms of reliability, accuracy and durability. All of that in mind, as far as I'm concerned the Raven represents the best value for your money at the present time.

The Silver Raven with plain Magazine Well is my choice for a Right-handed firer (due to the lack of ambi controls). If ambi controls are required, go with the Platinum Raven. Insofar as options are concerned, I recommend paying Lockhart rather than the aftermarket 3d-printer operators. The Lockhart accessories are well-made with exacting machining and components which result in a perfet fit. Here are the options that I would include with my order:

- Top Charging Handle Gen 2
- Extended Take-Down Pins
- Side-Cocking Slot Cover
- Empty Casing Deflector
- Trigger Tech "Duty" Trigger
- Bolt Catch Assembly (for Silver Raven orders)
- Dust Cover (optional - user preference)

All other options, I would purchase on the open commercial market. That includes:

- upgraded MAGPUL Furniture with Vertical Fore-Grip
- MLOK Rails
- MLOK QD Sling Mounts
- Back-Up Iron Sights
- Muzzle Device

Hopefully this answers any questions that those in the market for a NR Canadian-made, 5.56mm semi-auto rifle may have. If there are questions or concerns, by all means feel free to PM me or ask in this thread and I will contribute what I can.

If you are looking at competing non-Canadian NR 5.56mm designs, there is the Kel-Tech RDB ($1500), the HK SL8 ($2400), the IMI Tavor ($2700), the SG 540 and 543 ($3500), the used Bushmaster ACR ($4500 depending on accessories), the B+T APC5 556 ($4700), or the HK G36 ($8K for a parts gun, $10K+ for a matching, proofed rifle). Some may recommend alternative Keltec rifles, however I do not recommend the SU16 or other designs besides the RDB due to their perceived fragility.

One potential wild-card is the forthcoming Sterling Arms International R18 Mk3. A hybrid with major components manufactured off-shore for cost-savings, assembled, proofed and QC-inspected in Canada, the R18 Mk3 appears to boast some very welcome new features. These include a Self-regulating, Carbine-length Gas System, Pinned and indexed Gas Block, Captive Bolt-Carrier/Guide Rod Assembly, and a one-piece, Ambi Bolt-Catch (among others). The final price-point has not yet been announced, but the R18 Mk3 will offer exciting value based on the offshore manufacture of its major components. The R18 is already the best of the AR180B derivative designs, so an improved design, selling for less money, ought to be a welcome development indeed! Stand-by as timelines are uncertain, but I should have a test rifle in-hand within a matter of weeks. This is perhaps the most interesting development I see coming down the pipe in the near term.

That's it, that's all I have at the present time for Canadians considering their first NR 5.56mm semi-auto rifle. Best of luck and above all, have fun!
 
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why is the Brass deflector so important?
Well, if you are a Left-hand firer, the Brass Deflector will keep ejected empty casings from striking you in the face, which makes it pretty essential. In the case of the Right-handed firer it is a matter of sealing up the Right Side Cocking Slot, but TBH it is mostly aesthetics. The Brass Deflector is essential however if you plan to use the Dust Cover, as the end of the Pivot Rod plugs into the machined Deflector.
 
... Some may recommend alternative Keltec rifles, however I do not recommend the SU16 ...

One potential wild-card is the forthcoming Sterling Arms International R18 Mk3. ... The R18 is already the best of the AR180B derivative designs, so an improved design, selling for less money, ought to be a welcome development indeed! ...
Thanks Bartok, excellent synopsis as usual. My two cents:

Perceived fragility of the KelTec SU16 is about right - It seems like it's not going to tolerate much serious abuse, so it won't satisfy those that are hard on their equipment (but then again, I haven't seen anyone actually do a torture test, so who knows?). It is crazy lightweight (and feels cheap because of it), seems to work great, takes AR mags, and has a lifetime warranty from a well-established US manufacturer (one who is probably not going to disappear anytime soon). And the price of the basic model is about half of the price of the cheapest option on your list. It's not trying to be an AR, and it will never be anything like a battle rifle. It's certainly not in the same category as the other options you're talking about, that's just not what it was designed for. It seems like it was designed for the US market as a cheaper, lighter alternative to the Ruger Mini14. But it is a great option for lots of people in Canada - Especially if they want a semiauto 223 with more of a "ranch rifle" style, or super lightweight, or just AR mag compatibility on a budget.

Looking forward to your report on the R18mk3 - A better 180-based rifle in Canada would be very, very welcome.
 
I think the number is quite low.
Mainly because they can't produce them very quickly....
Maybe. It could also be that demand just isn't that high, so their existing process works well enough.

You're right though, it seems obvious that streamlining manufacturing would be an advantage for them. I'm sure there's a good reason. There's serious risk involved with manufacturing firearms specifically for the Canadian market, I'd be cautious about investing in an upgraded manufacturing process. The Raven has avoided the whack-a-mole gun control game so far but that could end tomorrow.
 
off topic, but i've been thinking that one of the unintended consequences of the trudeau bans is the forced innovation in the canadian firearms manufacturing market. there are now more guys making simpler firearms.

if canada ever gets into a shooting war it's not going to be like in ukraine where an uninvolved third party can keep feeding us weapons; if canada is in it then everyone else is in it and we are going to have to make our own guns. we are probably better prepared now than previously to arm ourselves.
 
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