K an M m17s 308
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Ahh good to know. They seem like they’re well made units. I emailed the owner Ken asking questions a while back, and was shocked at how quick he responded and how he just seemed like a regular dude.
I might go with a 4x magnifier and rds, but we shall see
I might go with a 4x magnifier and rds, but we shall see
Can you expand on that? What competitions don’t allow cross bolt safeties?
By manual of arms do you mean anything non-AR? It is just as simple for me to flick a safety with my thumb as it is to push it. The only reason that rotating safeties even exist is because of the need to engage semi or full auto on assault rifles. It’s simply not required on rifles that only have one method of operation.
By manual of arms do you mean anything non-AR? It is just as simple for me to flick a safety with my thumb as it is to push it. The only reason that rotating safeties even exist is because of the need to engage semi or full auto on assault rifles. It’s simply not required on rifles that only have one method of operation.
Safety needs to be engaged on the move in modern action shooting sports. Depending on the location of the button and the user hand size, some systems simply cannot be put on safe with the firing hand only and need the use of the support hand.
Rotating safety works for more people in the population, but push button is easier to design and cheaper to make.
I cannot think of any major system developed after the 70's use push button safety.
Rotating safety works for more people in the population, but push button is easier to design and cheaper to make.
I cannot think of any major system developed after the 70's use push button safety.
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I appreciate what you’re saying but I doubt many would have any difficulty engaging a cross bolt safety placed at the rear of the trigger guard like an 870. At the front edge of the trigger guard? Well, that’s a bad design and necessitates you removing your hand.
As for cross bolts not being used on major systems? I disagree, cross bolt safeties are used on a lot of full auto only small arms to this day. Likely because they are cheap and robust, although most date from the 70s as you mentioned.
As I said, a rotating safety, while perhaps more user friendly, are not needed on an arm that only has one mode (be it semi or full) of operation. I’m certainly used to the AR15 safety and have no issues with it but one could also make the argument that on a semi auto sporting rifle that cross bolt safety is just as effective and arguably more ambi friendly.
Of course saying all this I then look at the Benelli MR1 which has all the ergonomics of a brick in your hand. You can’t do anything in that rifle without removing your dominant hand from the grip.
As for cross bolts not being used on major systems? I disagree, cross bolt safeties are used on a lot of full auto only small arms to this day. Likely because they are cheap and robust, although most date from the 70s as you mentioned.
As I said, a rotating safety, while perhaps more user friendly, are not needed on an arm that only has one mode (be it semi or full) of operation. I’m certainly used to the AR15 safety and have no issues with it but one could also make the argument that on a semi auto sporting rifle that cross bolt safety is just as effective and arguably more ambi friendly.
Of course saying all this I then look at the Benelli MR1 which has all the ergonomics of a brick in your hand. You can’t do anything in that rifle without removing your dominant hand from the grip.
