K98k vs lee enfield no.4 mk1 "sniper platform" opinions?

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Hey everyone, I know this subject has been discussed a lot and I am looking at options for non invasive scope mounts etc for either rifle as I don't want to destroy the history.


I am curious about peoples opinion, I know neither one of these rifles even though they had sniper versions are as accurate as modern platforms. It is still something I'd like to pursue. My over arching question is which one would people reccomend I work into this.

I see a variety of NDT mounts and rails for k98ks as well some for lee Enfield. I know the moa's for these rifles vary based on build and if some performed remarkably were usually whisked away to be put into sniper platforms. I am just curious if anyone has done this to either and if they were satisfied with the results?


I am not planning on competing with anything. But just for my own personal plinking and enjoyment would prefer to have it be one of these rifles. As well i cannot afford a true enfield (T) or k98k sniper and at this time I do not want to drill or tap yet.

Any insight, issues or recommendations are greatly appreciated.

The rail system that seems to have my eye is the accumount dual rail and potentially a k4 weaver scope for the k98k.
 
I have two Israeli Military FN k98 308 sniper rifles with 4x scopes
I also have a Enfield no4 T in 308 military scope
When I was in Israel many years ago, it appeared that the k98 was
The gun they preferred.
They went from the k98 to M14 rifles with ART Leatherwood 3x9
Scopes. The Leatherwood scopes were a special contract , as they
we're made with aluminum mounts instead of steel like the Americans
 
Chrono8: There are several no-gunsmithing mounts for the No. 4, some of which I've heard are pretty good. Someone here can probably tell you the manufacturer. The other thing you could do is advertise (WTB) for a replica sniper of either type that someone might be ready to sell. The advantage would be something that looks authentic and may well shoot as good as the originals. I have a Savage that some bozo converted to a "T" replica even though the rifle must have been virtually unused. He didn't do a cosmetically great job of installing the pads but, with a cheap Taiwan replica scope, it shoots every bit as good as my original "T" (easy 1.5" 5 shot groups at 100). Purists will scoff but at the range 99.5/100 guys will think it's real. As a replica there's a limit to what people can realistically charge for one above the price of an unmodified good condition rifle.

milsurpo
 
Thanks so much for all the comments. I will definitely have to look into some replicas of something of the sort. Hardest thing I've noticed now. Is finding a scope that looks somewhat accurate but is still decent for use without being 500 or more. I saw some repro zf39 scope for the k98 and some people suggest the k4 weaver as its fairly close resemblance to the k98k scope.
 
Good endevour and hope you find what will work for you!

I have several makes of ndt mounts and have really had no issues with any of them. No wiggle, wobble or loose screws. And with vintage eyes, I really find it much more enjoyable to have a reasonable idea where things are pointed.

A LE No 4 Mk1 partial T (no scope, mount or rear pad(why?why??why take off the pad???)) wears an Addley Precision mount with a 4-12x44 Leupold. I tried to find a Lyman Alaskan or something more vintage looking in something I could comfortably see through. A Lyman American didn't quite do it, but the Leupold was calling from it's box, so why not? No regrets at all with those optics.

Another No 4 Mk1, a semi-rejuvinated sporter, has the S&K with their Accumount & high rings and windage adjustable bases as a bonus. C/w a sweet Redfield 6-18. Could have gone to their medium rings with the scope and caps I have but ~1/8" lower isn't going to make any difference in my world. A velcro strap-on cheek piece/cartridge carrier with some 3/8 foam under it to build up a little, works quite well to get a comfy cheek weld.

The Rem P14 sporter has an Addley Precision mount, cheap scope, and the same style strap-on cheekpiece as above. With shape of the butt, no additional padding needed. The scope looks high with the rear mount (so do the real snipers) but the cheekpiece seems to make it fit & point naturally. Will get a decent scope again (if it needs it) to work up some jacketed loads when I get back to paying a little more attention to it. Cast boolets in the other misurps are just way too much fun right now!

There are a couple K31s with Swiss Product mounts - simple, strong and keep the rear sight - deadly!

A Mosin 91/30 with an S&K scout style mount (Burris 2-7 LER) that the boys and I really enjoy! At least one of them is starting to lean this way with his MN, and maybe coming around to cast as well!

S&K has scout mounts for many milsurps if that may tickle your fancy. They had good reviews from the research I had done a couple years ago.

There are some other mounts that I passed over for various reasons but I'm happy with the ones I have. They work just fine and help keep it fun!

NOE 316299 cast w/w RULES!

Cheers!

Kermode
 
The two basic rifles each have their performance quirks. The No.4 is a fine rifle as issued, and the T conversions did as little as possible to the whole rifle. No radical woodworking, or changes to the receiver beyond truing the left sidewall and drilling four well spaced mounting screw holes.

If you don't want to relearn the lessons of Holland & Holland, then look for either an S&K scope base that attaches to the rear sight base. Not ideal, but no gunsmithing. The next least invasive option is the postwar Parker Hale scope base combination. The rear fits like the S&K, but the front base is drilled into the receiver. Some rifles can be found with other sporterizing metalworking, so you shouldn't feel compelled to attack an intact receiver. The third option is a side base, like the limited standard American Griffin and Howe sidemount, as used on a short and very rare production run of LB No.4T Mk I* rifles.

I have shot Mausers enough to not like them for long range target work. I find the thumb notch in the left sidewall and the sights on the barrel to be flaws which take away from their accuracy potential. There are fewer scope base options with a Mauser.
 
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