Kayaking armed

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Hey,

so i'm looking to find an appropriate gun to take on kayaking expeditions. For predator defense, and small game hunting.

it would preferably be compact, either by design, or perhaps a folding stock. rifle or shotgun, i am impartial.

it would need to handle getting wet in salt water, though id most likely keep it bagged (are there dry bags for guns?)

I've looked into the AR-7 upon recomendation, which meets all criteria except predator defense. Though i play bear safe i would like to have some back up.

any advice on this would be greatly appreciated

thanks
 
ive read in a number of different places debates between the mossberg marine and the remi 870 Marine Magnum. thoughts? experiences?
 
I used to do alot of kayaking when I lived near the coast. Everything will get salt water/air on it, so a stainless gun is nice. SInce you want ot shoot small game and use it for defense (bears on the coast can get big but usually aren't too pissy until provoked as there is usually lots of food for them) so a shotgun with slugs and small shot for the small game makes sense.
 
May want to take a look at the Mossberg JIC (just in case) Mariner. Its a short 500 that comes in the marinecote and has a waterproof tube.
 
Gatehouse said:
so a shotgun with slugs and small shot for the small game makes sense.
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ya that seems the best route.

that Mossberg JIC is intruiging. though i would probably ditch the bulky case...or fill it with other items. never handled a pistol grip though, will have to give one a try.
 
I would go with a single shot break action shotgun. That way you can break it down to 2 parts. Saw the barrel down to about 20" and you've got 2 really nice compact pieces that can be stored in any dry bag and will fit in almost any kayak hatch. I'd probably lean towards a 20 or 28 gauge. I have a stainless H&R in 28 gauge, I'm debating about cutting the barrel down a few inches and using it for canoe tripping
 
ender1 said:
ya that seems the best route.

that Mossberg JIC is intruiging. though i would probably ditch the bulky case...or fill it with other items. never handled a pistol grip though, will have to give one a try.
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You'd never get that case inside the hatch of a touring kayak....If the cockpit is roomy, that might work.....
 
The disadvantage of either a big bore rifle or a shotgun on an extended wilderness trip is the weight of the ammo. One option is to carry a small rimfire rifle and a brick of ammo for acquiring camp food, and a shotgun or big bore rifle for protection. If there is a second boat involved with your adventure, you could have a gun in each, one for protection the other for camp food.

My solution though would be to choose a scout type rifle in .308 or something similar with handloaded ammo for both small game and protection. For the purposes you describe, a ghost ring and post might prove to be a better than a scope. Light loads for small game could be loaded with a bullet that easily identifies them, such as military FMJs or cast bullets, while your protection rounds could be loaded with TSXs or heavy round nose bullets.

Although there is a plethora of stainless rifles in plastic stocks on the market, I would still choose to carry the rifle in a waterproof container as salt water is a real problem. Occasionally washing the rifle down in warm soapy fresh water, and applying a light coat of oil should address salt water corrosion.
 
How about a break action combo? i can't remember the exact make and model but you can get break action .22/12 guage and other combinations. Use the .22 for small game(easy to bring lots of ammo) and bring some buck shot or slugs for predator defense.
 
I was wondering about this as well..a good shotty to have while canoeing. I thought of the JIC but I'm thinking on a side by side coach gun. I wish I could carry my 10/22 but rifles are illegal until bear season
 
If your near Vancouver, check out SKABC.org, a number of people have done trips on the West Coast. If your going to do the Artic Coast, read, " Kabloona In Yellow Kayak (ISBN: 0888012012 / 0-88801-201-2) , by Victoria Jason
" Paddle to the Amazon: The Ultimate 12,000-Mile Canoe Adventure" (ISBN: 077108241X / 0-7710-8241-X) by Don Starkell, is how not to do it.
They paddled together for a while, so read them a chapter at a time.
 
If I was heading out on a kayak trip I wouldn't hesitate to take my light weight stainless steel T/C Contender carbine with rynite (synthetic) stocks installed with either my 21" tapered 375JDJ barrel I would load it with 260gr Accubonds @ 2300fps or my 22" bull 45-70 barrel loaded with 325gr FTX @ 1850fps or 430gr WLNGC's @ 1650fps.

With either of these barrel combo's I would be set for any kind of defense situation I could encounter I would also take my 16.5" tapered 22LR barrel and 100 CCI SGB (2 boxes small game bullets) for grouse etc...

Both barrels would only have iron sights mounted no scopes.

CC
 
Koplin makes a good water proof bag for longguns it's called the kolpin sealtector
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I'd go with a shotgun for protection and fishing gear for food.

Canammo had some of their short 870 clones nickel plated that might be a good option to help with rust.
 
Awesome, thanks all for your input. At this point i need to try out some of the recomendations, see how i like them. All of them seem like good ideas it's just a matter of what i prefer (and can afford)

:cheers:

ender1
 
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