Kimber Montana Vs Winchester weather extreme

thumper1 said:
Which rifle would you buy and why! Kimber Montana or Winchester Weather extreme?
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To the OP...as Archie asked you earlier in the thread...what's the intended use?
Are you hunting the mountains or off a quad?
What features do you like/need? Have you handled or shot any models of the rifles in question? Is 300$+ worth the extra pound?
Give us some details, otherwise everybody just goes Ford vs Chev! d:h:

On second thought, quit buying Tim's for a year and just buy a Cooper...you can thank me later. :cool:
 
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bearkilr said:
The Kimber WSM is about one pound lighter than the EW, or about 15%, with a 2" longer bbl.
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Thanks for reminding me about barrel length bearkilr.
I can't believe I forgot to drive that point home {like every other Kimber thread I post in}
 With Kimber there is no compromise as to barrel length. S/A gets 22" and L/A get 24" respectively. It's awful easy for a manufacturer to bob a barrel and market a lightweight, and although I'm a fan of Model Sevens that is my biggest beef with them. Balance can suffer as well as velocity, depending on the caliber.
I saw much better speeds out of my Kimber in 7-08 than my Model Seven in the same caliber...and I generally push harder {load hotter} with my Remingtons.
Couple that with the rifle being butt-heavy and it doesn't take a nuclear engineer to figure which one hit the EE.
 
Sun_and_Steel_77 said:
To the OP...as Archie asked you earlier in the thread...what's the intended use?
Are you hunting the mountains or off a quad?
What features do you like/need? Have you handled or shot any models of the rifles in question? Is 300$+ worth the extra pound?
Give us some details, otherwise everybody just goes Ford vs Chev! d:h:

On second thought, quit buying Tim's for a year and just buy a Cooper...you can thank me later. :cool:
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It will be used on the quad and in the mountains of mcbride bc for moose bear elk and deer.
 
crazy_davey said:
I take it you are speaking of the Montana... I have often wondered if Kimber would sell the trigger guard and floor plate/mag box that they use on the Classic Stainless Select Grade models so that one could modify a Montana stock.

It doesn't matter that much to me but it would be a nice option.
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CD I have my 84M apart right now for a bedding job, perfect time to throw the floorplate/trigger assembly on the scale {as if I needed an excuse}.
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And now a shameless plug for the Kimber. I seriously dig how the trigger bow is not only machined steel but is removable/replaceable.
Anyone who has had a hard landing on some scree would know where I'm coming from, it's either the scope bell or the trigger guard that takes the hit.
The quality on these steel floorplates is a thing of beauty compared to the cast aluminum examples of a typical Remchester :p
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Sun_and_Steel_77 said:
CD I have my 84M apart right now for a bedding job, perfect time to throw the floorplate/trigger assembly on the scale {as if I needed an excuse}.
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And now a shameless plug for the Kimber.
The quality on these steel floorplates is a thing of beauty compared to the cast aluminum examples of a typical Remchester :p
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Thanks, I was curious about that. Now, just send it my way and I will take care of it for you :)
 
Well apparently I have one apart and a camera close-by so might as well share some Kimber 101.

The glass bedding job as it comes from the factory is a joke. 3 of my 4 Kimbers have had lateral movement with the action screws removed.
Check yours and skim bed if needed.

While you're there make sure your mag-box isn't binding. I have had to remove metal on all mine except a .300wsm.
If you can't move the mag-box ever so slightly up and down with your index and middle finger it is binding. This is a known issue with the 84M's.
Remove metal from the bottom side only!

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I love the new Winchester more than the Kimber, simply because I feel the Winny is a much more durably built rifle and is more likely to be a shooter. The Winchester is a good design, everything works well and they shoot well. The last 3 that I had to the range were all shooting under an inch with Federal Powershocks. Kimbers can really be hit or miss, some shoot phenomenally well, but most I have had in hand (including those of friends and colleagues) are nothing to get excited about. Kimbers are prone to one particular breakdown, that being the bolt retaining pin shearing off. Some owners have found a few problems with the rifle firing accidentally when taken off of safe. I never experienced this, but I know two fellows that were a little rattled by this event with their own rifles. From a superficial view, I prefer the appearance of the 70 over the Kimbers. I just don't find any Kimber to have an attractive finish. They look cheap to me. Even their higher end, wood stocked rifles look like something from a dollar store.

In praise of the Kimber, it's a fair bit lighter, straight from the rack. They have a nice feel when shouldered despite the light weight. Kimber bottom metal, or at least the floor plate release being inside the trigger guard. As much as I love the Winchester, I hate that the floorplate release location. I have bumped it on a branch in the bush or slid too far forwards over my pack when preparing for a shot, depressing the switch and having the floor plate burst open. I also like the blind magazine on the lightweight Kimber models.

Everyone is going to be extremely opinionated as we are all looking for something different from our rifles. Which one do you like?
 
Duncan Idaho said:
I love the new Winchester more than the Kimber, simply because I feel the Winny is a much more durably built rifle and is more likely to be a shooter. The Winchester is a good design, everything works well and they shoot well. The last 3 that I had to the range were all shooting under an inch with Federal Powershocks. Kimbers can really be hit or miss, some shoot phenomenally well, but most I have had in hand (including those of friends and colleagues) are nothing to get excited about. Kimbers are prone to one particular breakdown, that being the bolt retaining pin shearing off. Some owners have found a few problems with the rifle firing accidentally when taken off of safe. I never experienced this, but I know two fellows that were a little rattled by this event with their own rifles. From a superficial view, I prefer the appearance of the 70 over the Kimbers. I just don't find any Kimber to have an attractive finish. They look cheap to me. Even their higher end, wood stocked rifles look like something from a dollar store.

In praise of the Kimber, it's a fair bit lighter, straight from the rack. They have a nice feel when shouldered despite the light weight. Kimber bottom metal, or at least the floor plate release being inside the trigger guard. As much as I love the Winchester, I hate that the floorplate release location. I have bumped it on a branch in the bush or slid too far forwards over my pack when preparing for a shot, depressing the switch and having the floor plate burst open. I also like the blind magazine on the lightweight Kimber models.

Everyone is going to be extremely opinionated as we are all looking for something different from our rifles. Which one do you like?
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Umm, he made his decision a few posts up.

While it's true that Kimber's can be hit and miss for accuracy, I'm willing to bet a lot of that comes from the difficulty many have shooting such a light rifle accurately from the bench.

I'd also wager a bet the AD's come from attempted home trigger adjustments. The bolt issues are news to me as well, so I doubt they're widespread.

Also, the Winchester M70 has never been known as a particularly accurate rifle either.
 
Duncan Idaho said:
I love the new Winchester more than the Kimber, simply because I feel the Winny is a much more durably built rifle and is more likely to be a shooter. The Winchester is a good design, everything works well and they shoot well. The last 3 that I had to the range were all shooting under an inch with Federal Powershocks. Kimbers can really be hit or miss, some shoot phenomenally well, but most I have had in hand (including those of friends and colleagues) are nothing to get excited about. Kimbers are prone to one particular breakdown, that being the bolt retaining pin shearing off. Some owners have found a few problems with the rifle firing accidentally when taken off of safe. I never experienced this, but I know two fellows that were a little rattled by this event with their own rifles. From a superficial view, I prefer the appearance of the 70 over the Kimbers. I just don't find any Kimber to have an attractive finish. They look cheap to me. Even their higher end, wood stocked rifles look like something from a dollar store.

In praise of the Kimber, it's a fair bit lighter, straight from the rack. They have a nice feel when shouldered despite the light weight. Kimber bottom metal, or at least the floor plate release being inside the trigger guard. As much as I love the Winchester, I hate that the floorplate release location. I have bumped it on a branch in the bush or slid too far forwards over my pack when preparing for a shot, depressing the switch and having the floor plate burst open. I also like the blind magazine on the lightweight Kimber models.

Everyone is going to be extremely opinionated as we are all looking for something different from our rifles. Which one do you like?
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I have read just about everything and anything written about a Kimber on the intranets, both good and bad
{well mostly bad ;)}, as well as owning four of my own.
I have NEVER either heard about or seen first-hand either of the issues you posted about.
As bearkilr states probably someone dinkin' with the overtravel on the trigger.

You honestly think the lumber on a SuperAmerica or even Classic-Select look "dollar-store"???:confused: Wow!
 
9.3x62 said:
Re using the kinber floorplate in a montana does the width of the stock allow for the width of the floorplate?
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I am 99.9% sure it would work. They use the same mag box in the 84M Classic and Montana.
As I said earlier in the thread I had this all more or less mocked-up awhile back, but I sold my Montanas' to have a custom built by RMR.

I will offer-up my Classic for measurement though, and I'm sure someone will do the same with their Montana {Archie...you there?}.

The floorplate assembly at it's widest point just ahead of the trigger-guard measures a hair over an inch 1.056" on my caliper.
My four year old thought it would be cool to show off his ink here on CGN! :p

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