Kinda confuse why take out the slide lock??

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I see a lot of advance IPSC shooters, which makes me wonder what is the advantage or what is the logical reason behind why they would disable the magazine follower slide lock capability of a 1911/2011 handgun after firing the last round.
Can someone enlighten me on this one please? :confused: :confused: :) :)

Thank you in advance. :) :)
 
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In many cases the slide lock will actually catch on the second to last round in the magazine and lock your gun open when you don't want it to. It will also bounce up in recoil and lock on some guns, or maybe your thumb bumps it and it locks.....
Bottom line; if it can lock open it WILL lock open at the worst possible time in a match and blow you out of the water. There is no competitive advantage to having it lock open, so why not just disable it and remove any potential problem?
 
noticed something with a buds new STI Edge the other day, the slide lock doesn't have a spring to force it back down. Is this normal on those guns, or 1911's in general. I am sure when I was working at Dlask tearing down 1911's that I saw springs on the slide locks, but now I am wondering if my memory is failing.
 
no spring on the modern 1911 or 2011 that I have, but I seem to remember that perhaps there was one on the Browing HP, mind you I haven't handle one for the last 12 years or so......

Mine are disable for the reason relliot give above....

The other thing is has I got more experience in IPSC I started to notice that I was running the gun dry a lot more then the M + so I start counting my shoots (now it's natural, and part of my stage preparation).....I try not to run the gun dry unless it provide me an advantage on the last position, or on a long transition were racking is not a problem (open gun)
 
Slavex said:
noticed something with a buds new STI Edge the other day, the slide lock doesn't have a spring to force it back down. Is this normal on those guns, or 1911's in general. I am sure when I was working at Dlask tearing down 1911's that I saw springs on the slide locks, but now I am wondering if my memory is failing.
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Standard 1911 design. Various custom 'smiths have come up with various solutions with varying success. Dlask may have had a spring thing.
 
19/2011's don't have a return spring on the slide stop. They have a spring on the detent that "holds" it in the unlocked position. The ramped cut-out on the slide into which the slide lock fits when the slide is locked open is what drives the slide lock back down when the slide is retracted.
 
I find that confusing as well. If you don't count your rounds *(which you should, although I am a perfect example of what not to do sometimes), I would want to have it hold open when I am dry, so I don't go around a corner and "click",.....
 
For you Maurice...just hold it open....and actually do that next time IPSC1 RO you he should get a laught of that situation.....the only time you should run your gun dry is when it provide you a advantage ie last position or when you have to run 30 meters (IPSC1 long course of fire....) to see the last plate which is of course at 30 meters+ :)

Normally don't run it dry......
 
Dansy said:
For you Maurice...just hold it open....and actually do that next time IPSC1 RO you he should get a laught of that situation.....the only time you should run your gun dry is when it provide you a advantage ie last position or when you have to run 30 meters (IPSC1 long course of fire....) to see the last plate which is of course at 30 meters+ :)

Normally don't run it dry......
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100%, although sometimes I just hate unloading mags by hand:p
 
At AMA this sunday I won't be shooting extra rounds unless I have to, got about 128rds of 124gr ammunition left. I'll have to take some winclean with me in case I run out.
 
I have a CZ Tactical Sport and I also modified my slide lock. The problem I was having was when it locked open and I did a mag change, sometimes I would slam the new mag in too far and the slide would not come forward. I would have to try and pull or push the mag back down a little before the slide would go forward. I don't know if this happens with 19/2011.
 
Dan-O-Mite said:
I have a CZ Tactical Sport and I also modified my slide lock. The problem I was having was when it locked open and I did a mag change, sometimes I would slam the new mag in too far and the slide would not come forward. I would have to try and pull or push the mag back down a little before the slide would go forward. I don't know if this happens with 19/2011.
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Sounds like you have a mag issue with your gun. Are you using an after market magazine?
 
One reason to have the slide lock modified to not lock back, is to practice dry firing..

if you use an empty mag, and practice clearing drills, then the slide will lock back, and not let go (until you remove the mag).. mod'ing the slide will make the pistol act like it has a round (when it doesn't since you are dry firing).

As for running dry.. my standard routine is to change mags (since I have a few) then rack, and bang. Locked back, or not, the drill is still the same (muscle memory)..
 
Dan-O-Mite said:
I have a CZ Tactical Sport and I also modified my slide lock. The problem I was having was when it locked open and I did a mag change, sometimes I would slam the new mag in too far and the slide would not come forward. I would have to try and pull or push the mag back down a little before the slide would go forward. I don't know if this happens with 19/2011.
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Some of the time, especially with large caliber ammo, if the slide is back and you "slam" in your mag, the kinetic energy of all a full mag will force the cartridges up into the feed lips of the mags spreading them. This action will not allow the slide to go forward. This can be particularly disasterous with 45 cal as it is often impossible to correct without assistance from a tool or an RO (not one and the same), causing a DNF on the stage. Especially common with a single stack 45 with the slide back. It is not likely that the mag was pushed in too far.
 
This discussion about locking open on the last round is very interesting to me. My STI Trojan 40 S&W did not lock open straight out of the box. I ordered 4 new mags from STI (meggar). Same problem. Seems that the lock open lever does not extend far enough into the mag well to contact the mag follower. Someone suggested a custom lock open lever from EGW but they do not make one for a 40. I don't shoot competition and would like my pistol to lock open on the last round. Haven't been able to find a solution.
 
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