King of WSM's

[kman300]

Sako, tikka, Remington, Winchester all make wsm with 3 in the mag. Which rifles are you seeing that only have two?

With the 270 being 7 thou smaller that the 7mm a log of people don't see the need for one and visa versa. To each his own but the original question was which one offered an improvement over it's cousin and the 270 wsm is the one that does.

A bit late to chime back but why not...
1st) I said I had limited exposure to the WSM's and perhaps I should have labeled the caliber I've been exposed to (300WSM). Personally I have never seen a use (personally-flame suit on) for a 270 of any designation; I simply perfer other options (my bad)
2nd) More than a few WSM's offered only hold 2 in the mag. Personally I don't always walk around with one in the chamber so with one of these you would only have one for a back up. Digging in your pockets looking for a third would suck IMO. The rifles that hold three in the mag are OK; too bad you have to spend more to buy them over a regular caliber
3rd) While I agree it usually only takes one; every now and then life throughs a curve at you and it might be nice to have a planned response in the gun. Digging in your pockets looking for a third would suck IMO.

 

[archie_james_c]

Sako, tikka, Remington, Winchester all make wsm with 3 in the mag. Which rifles are you seeing that only have two?

With the 270 being 7 thou smaller that the 7mm a log of people don't see the need for one and visa versa. To each his own but the original question was which one offered an improvement over it's cousin and the 270 wsm is the one that does.

My Model 700 XCR .270 WSM only holds 2 in the belly.

 

[kman300]

SPS and XCR II both have 3. Point is most manufacturers make guns with 3.

 

[ErikT]

My Savage 16 FCSS only holds 2 in the detachable mag.

 

[bcsteve]

My 700 BDL holds 3x 7mmSAUM and my M70 holds 3x .300WSM in their belly.

 

[Jordan Smith]

Kimber 8400 holds 3 in the mag.

 

[woodlotowner]

My BLR holds three in the detachable magazine.

 

[coldmaker]

my savage model 16 flhss holds 3 in the floor plate, but you can't put another 1 in the barrel. so it's 3 total

 

[gtrussell]

Benelli R1 holds three as was stated, most do.

 

[oneskilledshooter]

To start off and try and answer the op, I would say that the king of the short magnums would be either the .270 if you have to hunt somewhere where there is a calibre restriction and the .300 WSM everywhere else. The fact that the .300 WSM holds the current record for 1000 yards should be considered.

9 pages and I haven't seen anyone mention an advantage to the short magnums that is more significant than any increase in velocity, shorter action or lighter weight rifles (in my humble opinion, of course). Mind you I may have missed it, 9 pages is a lot and it's tough to wade through.

That single biggest advantage is a greater potential accuracy due to a shorter powder column. I don't see the merit in the claim that one cartridge is a couple to a few hundred feet per second faster than another and is therefore superior. Yes it is a little faster, but if you are focused on this argument you are missing the design goal of these cartridges. Speed isn't really it.

Yes this is a hunting sub forum and no the potential improvement to accuracy may mean little to nothing to the average Canadian hunter. Yes the standard cartridges are fine for most every hunting application, but the short magnum calibers are more than marketing hype. These cartridges do have more accuracy potential and they did evolve from what benchrest shooters developed ie: 6MM PPC.

The short magnum cartridges hold interest for those of us who hand load and head out to the range to try and make the smallest groups possible because it is one of the things that gives us joy, happiness and satisfaction. Then we head out hunting with the load that we have developed.

 

[gtrussell]

This is no news to wsm owners, as to the reasons why we own them I would think.Thankyou.Well put

 

[sureshot66]

Magpro seems to be the new magic powder giving outstanding velocity. Where do you get it? Neither cabelas or wss have it. I have also read on other forums that it is not temp stable, meaning that 3200 fps you get in the summer with your 270 win, won't happen when it's -20 and you're hunting. I have found the RL linne to be the same. I use retumbo specifically because there is virtually no difference between summer and winter fps. I'm sure alot of people would be surprised to see the difference in fps and poi between the loads they made in summer and what they are actually getting during hunting season.

I like h4350, h4831sc, h1000 and retumbo because summer and winter temps are virtually the same. Powders that give very high fps and tight groups, but shoot to different poi and lose 100fps or more in the winter don't do anything for me. And we all know slot of guys don't even think about that and go out in -30 and chrono loads. I actually get in the winter what I do in July which is something rl17, 19, 25 etc don't. I haven't tested magpro but others have and they said they lost a significant amount of fps between 80f and 0f. I hunt in colder weather than 0f.


The reason I mention this is because I often se magpro as the answer to why mags aren't needed. Well I can't buy it at two big stores and actual fps when hunting (which is all that matters to me) and what reloading books tell you isn't the same because they shoot it in a lab and not at -20. For hunters in Texas this doesn't apply. For me living in mb it sure does.

I scored some Magpro(total of 6 pounds) and of my first 3 loads-found to get barnes 140ttsx to clover leaf one big hole in a steel plate at 200yrds. I bought it because if was supposed to be the best powder for the WSM's and will do some more testing this year with my Chrony to see what my 7WSM is cranking out since the accuracy is already there.