Lantac - Straight Pull Bolt Action - AR15

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Sorry if this has already been discussed (did a search and didn't come up with anything)

Any thoughts (or has anyone actually seen/used/fired) on the LanTac Straight Pull Bolt Action AR-15 BCG? Some additional info and videos below

http://www.lannertactical.com/AR15-Straight-Pull-Side-Charging-Rifle.html

https://youtu.be/F49kyRdR_Jc

https://youtu.be/ShoXmNtCz4M

Really interesting concept and design. Sadly the mags are standard AR mags - helps our friends in the UK - but here in Canada we would still be limited to 5 rounds. Of course would be great if there was a proprietery mag (that didn't fit into an AR) as there would then be a chance of getting more than 5 rounds. Personally less interested in the .223 (unless of course we could get over 5 rounds), but really intrigued at this platform in a 308. Thoughts?

Also, does anyone known if these will be coming to Canada?
 
Silver_Back said:
Sorry if this has already been discussed (did a search and didn't come up with anything)

Any thoughts (or has anyone actually seen/used/fired) on the LanTac Straight Pull Bolt Action AR-15 BCG? Some additional info and videos below

http://www.lannertactical.com/AR15-Straight-Pull-Side-Charging-Rifle.html

https://youtu.be/F49kyRdR_Jc

https://youtu.be/ShoXmNtCz4M

Really interesting concept and design. Sadly the mags are standard AR mags - helps our friends in the UK - but here in Canada we would still be limited to 5 rounds. Of course would be great if there was a proprietery mag (that didn't fit into an AR) as there would then be a chance of getting more than 5 rounds. Personally less interested in the .223 (unless of course we could get over 5 rounds), but really intrigued at this platform in a 308. Thoughts?

Also, does anyone known if these will be coming to Canada?
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Even if it did come, it would still be restricted as a varient of an AR15.
 
Let's not volunteer to more gun control (kinda). Right now we should be fighting to keep what we have and even reduce restrictions rather than looking for a work-around before we need to.

If we had the freedom to take our AR's out as non restricted an option like this would be kinda neat for the bench shooters trying to maximize accuracy. Although a standard AR with (or without) a side charger and an adjustable gas block that could shut off the gas completely would be pretty much the same thing and be completely reversible back to fun mode whenever the shooter desired.

onetwentyish said:
Even if it did come, it would still be restricted as a varient of an AR15.
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I'm not sure about that, if it didn't have a gas system it could possibly fall in similar to the Troy PAR as something that looks like an AR but isn't. Without a gas system it wouldn't be a semi auto so it would be hard for them to classify it as a restricted variant. Not saying they couldn't class it stupidly but there wouldn't be much to support their decision.
 
Silver_Back said:
Sorry if this has already been discussed (did a search and didn't come up with anything)

Any thoughts (or has anyone actually seen/used/fired) on the LanTac Straight Pull Bolt Action AR-15 BCG? Some additional info and videos below

http://www.lannertactical.com/AR15-Straight-Pull-Side-Charging-Rifle.html

https://youtu.be/F49kyRdR_Jc

https://youtu.be/ShoXmNtCz4M

Really interesting concept and design. Sadly the mags are standard AR mags - helps our friends in the UK - but here in Canada we would still be limited to 5 rounds. Of course would be great if there was a proprietery mag (that didn't fit into an AR) as there would then be a chance of getting more than 5 rounds. Personally less interested in the .223 (unless of course we could get over 5 rounds), but really intrigued at this platform in a 308. Thoughts?

Also, does anyone known if these will be coming to Canada?
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Can't speak specifically for the Lantac, but we have made several straight pull ARs for folks in the UK. The only problem I see is the total lack of any form of assisted primary extraction. You really need to pull the charge handle aggressively to pull a fired round out of the chamber.
 
cr5 said:
I'm not sure about that, if it didn't have a gas system it could possibly fall in similar to the Troy PAR as something that looks like an AR but isn't. Without a gas system it wouldn't be a semi auto so it would be hard for them to classify it as a restricted variant. Not saying they couldn't class it stupidly but there wouldn't be much to support their decision.
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Don't underestimate their ability to be ridiculous...If the Blaze 47 is an AK variant, then all bets are off.
 
onetwentyish said:
Even if it did come, it would still be restricted as a varient of an AR15.
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As much as we would like to believe otherwise, this unfortunately is the truth.



cr5 said:
I'm not sure about that, if it didn't have a gas system it could possibly fall in similar to the Troy PAR as something that looks like an AR but isn't. Without a gas system it wouldn't be a semi auto so it would be hard for them to classify it as a restricted variant. Not saying they couldn't class it stupidly but there wouldn't be much to support their decision.
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OkayShooter said:
The Troy SAR is NR.
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The fact that this has no gas system is irrelevant to classification. All this rifle is is a redesigned upper receiver. It still uses a standard AR-15 lower receiver. As long as the Lantac upper mates up to an AR-15 lower it is a varient of the AR-15 and thus a restricted firearm.

I could take the PAR barrel that has no gas port and the fore end/handguard and the pump mechanism off of my PAR. Install the parts on an AR-15 upper and it will have no bearing on classification. All I did was create a pump action AR-15 varient.

The only reason the Troy PAR or SAR is NR is because neither the upper or lower mate up to an AR-15 upper or lower. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are both manually operated systems.

As stupid as our laws are, it is what it is.
 
jiffx2781 said:
As much as we would like to believe otherwise, this unfortunately is the truth.







The fact that this has no gas system is irrelevant to classification. All this rifle is is a redesigned upper receiver. It still uses a standard AR-15 lower receiver. As long as the Lantac upper mates up to an AR-15 lower it is a varient of the AR-15 and thus a restricted firearm.

I could take the PAR barrel that has no gas port and the fore end/handguard and the pump mechanism off of my PAR. Install the parts on an AR-15 upper and it will have no bearing on classification. All I did was create a pump action AR-15 varient.

The only reason the Troy PAR or SAR is NR is because neither the upper or lower mate up to an AR-15 upper or lower. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are both manually operated systems.

As stupid as our laws are, it is what it is.
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Then explain how that new AR upper and lower, isn't a AR? Because its non restricted. Uses AR barrels, AR trigger controls, AR bolts.. But not an AR.
 
OkayShooter said:
Then explain how that new AR upper and lower, isn't a AR? Because its non restricted. Uses AR barrels, AR trigger controls, AR bolts.. But not an AR.
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"The only reason the Troy PAR or SAR is NR is because neither the upper or lower mate up to an AR-15 upper or lower. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are both manually operated systems."

He already did explain why.
 
OkayShooter said:
The Troy SAR is NR.
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Troy SAR or PAR is not an AR variant at all. Both the upper and lower are longer than the AR upper or lower. Firing pin is longer and cannot use the normal AR ones. The BCG therefore is longer than AR BCG so there is no way to easily retro fit an AR upper on the Troy since all the positions are off. However, it can use any other AR part, AR triggers, Bolt is same except (for no gas ring and a spring is added to the end) and the barrel is the same except you have to cover up that gas port.
 
Didn't think about the lower as the rifle in their eyes at the time of my first post. I agree that this rifle would be classed as restricted.


OkayShooter said:
Then explain how that new AR upper and lower, isn't a AR? Because its non restricted. Uses AR barrels, AR trigger controls, AR bolts.. But not an AR.
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Because the other rifles uppers and lowers will not fit on an AR-15 upper or lower. They look the part but the receivers are not compatible. You can not take an AR-15 upper and put it on a MacDef SLR lower, they just don't fit. Same idea as the ATRS rifles, they may use some AR parts but the receivers are not compatible with a true AR.
 
cr5 said:
Didn't think about the lower as the rifle in their eyes at the time of my first post. I agree that this rifle would be classed as restricted.


Because the other rifles uppers and lowers will not fit on an AR-15 upper or lower. They look the part but the receivers are not compatible. You can not take an AR-15 upper and put it on a MacDef SLR lower, they just don't fit. Same idea as the ATRS rifles, they may use some AR parts but the receivers are not compatible with a true AR.
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Okay

lavino said:
Troy SAR or PAR is not an AR variant at all. Both the upper and lower are longer than the AR upper or lower. Firing pin is longer and cannot use the normal AR ones. The BCG therefore is longer than AR BCG so there is no way to easily retro fit an AR upper on the Troy since all the positions are off. However, it can use any other AR part, AR triggers, Bolt is same except (for no gas ring and a spring is added to the end) and the barrel is the same except you have to cover up that gas port.
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Okay Thanks

alberta tactical rifle said:
"The only reason the Troy PAR or SAR is NR is because neither the upper or lower mate up to an AR-15 upper or lower. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are both manually operated systems."

He already did explain why.
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Okay Thanks

jiffx2781 said:
As much as we would like to believe otherwise, this unfortunately is the truth.







The fact that this has no gas system is irrelevant to classification. All this rifle is is a redesigned upper receiver. It still uses a standard AR-15 lower receiver. As long as the Lantac upper mates up to an AR-15 lower it is a varient of the AR-15 and thus a restricted firearm.

I could take the PAR barrel that has no gas port and the fore end/handguard and the pump mechanism off of my PAR. Install the parts on an AR-15 upper and it will have no bearing on classification. All I did was create a pump action AR-15 varient.

The only reason the Troy PAR or SAR is NR is because neither the upper or lower mate up to an AR-15 upper or lower. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are both manually operated systems.

As stupid as our laws are, it is what it is.
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Okay Thanks

I don't think anyone else needs to explain to me.
 
Doesn’t matter if it’s non restricted or not to me, but I’m definitely interested in getting one! Who is a lantac distributor? Anyone know if and when it’s coming to Canada?
 
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deerhunter365 said:
Doesn’t matter if it’s non restricted or not to me, but I’m definitely interested in getting one! Who is a lantac distributor? Anyone know if and when it’s coming to Canada?
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I kinow ATRS made some straight pull ARs that went to the UK, maybe they would still make 1 for you? Worth asking.
 
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