Lapua-SK in Canada

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Serious amount of BS being posted such on availability.
In stock:

SK
Standard Plus
Rifle March
Biathlon Sport
Pistol Match
Magazine
Pistol Match Special
Semi-Auto
Long Range Match

Lapua

X-ACT
Midas +
Centre-X
Pistol King
Pistol OSP
Polar Biathlon
Super Long Range Match
Long Range
Biathlon Extreme
 
Serious amount of BS being posted such on availability.
In stock:
Lapua

Biathlon Extreme

Lapua Biathlon Xtreme may have been discontinued. It appeared in the 2021 Lapua product brochure but was not included in the 2022 brochure. It doesn't appear in the current Lapua rimfire ammo website. Many other websites indicate it is discontinued.

Was it discontinued? Has the product line been resuscitated or is this new old stock?
 
Well three on your list are not shown in stock on your own website. SK long range match and both Lapua long range variants. I guess a phone call is required for your site as well. I didn’t realize how difficult it was to find ammo that’s apparently available in many places but doesn’t show on the websites I search. I agree about BS on ammo availability. Quite evident. Almost seems like a feeding frenzy being created because of the long time unavailability of many of the most popular ammo flavours. Just my opinion. Is the lot testing almost finished
 
Yeah, lol. Once the "pre-orders" are filled, will the remaining stock even be worth purchasing for those interested in quality ammo?

uh...yeah? Just because a lot is "bad" in one gun doesn't mean its not a laser in someone elses. A lot of people just like to shoot and ignore Lots.
 
uh...yeah? Just because a lot is "bad" in one gun doesn't mean its not a laser in someone elses. A lot of people just like to shoot and ignore Lots.

You have a point, to a degree. Sure one person's rejected lot could be your nirvana, by all means. However if inventory is picked over by those that know what they're doing, what's left won't be suitable for anyone serious about accuracy. If one is inclined to just shoot and not care about lots, then I suppose such a person shouldn't be buying premium grades, as they're not worth the cost if the lot is of poor quality. Rich people can disregard and shoot whatever their wallet and ego determines appropriate. A Rolex tells time just the same as a Timex.
 
uh...yeah? Just because a lot is "bad" in one gun doesn't mean its not a laser in someone elses. A lot of people just like to shoot and ignore Lots.

Lots that shoot well in one good rifle often shoot well in other good rifles, although not always equally well -- sometimes a little better or a little worse.

While there may be occasions when a lot that doesn't shoot well in one rifle may shoot well in another, there are basic reasons why some lots perform well across many barrels. These include having consistent priming and loading, consistent and closer to nearly perfect bullet dimensions and balance which contribute to consistent and small velocity spreads.

One important problem many shooters experience when comparing match ammo lots is that the comparisons are based on data (e.g. group sizes, scores) that is too small to allow meaningful conclusions. For example, comparing two sets of five shot groups shot with different lots is meaningless unless one is considerably better or worse than the other. Reliable ammo comparisons often require more data than many shooters gather.

What can make this worse is that it's not unusual for entry level varieties of match ammo to have a range of characteristics within the same lot. In other words, in one brick or one box there may be some boxes or rounds that are better or worse than others. In other words, the same lot of SK Rifle Match, for example, may give some very good results and some very bad ones.

All ammo, regardless of the name or price, requires sufficient testing to make evaluations.
 
uh...yeah? Just because a lot is "bad" in one gun doesn't mean its not a laser in someone elses. A lot of people just like to shoot and ignore Lots.

You could be correct but for those that don’t care about lots, their idea of accurate and most posting here are completely different things! The people not interested in lots are also not spending the $12.50-$35.00 a box and up so we are on completely different playing fields. Not that we are better but searching for a different outcome. Grauhannen is correct about good lots working in good rifles. It is rimfire so exceptions can happen but when I buy a case I want the 1/4 not the 4/4 not that most will know what I’m speaking of.
 
You could be correct but for those that don’t care about lots, their idea of accurate and most posting here are completely different things! The people not interested in lots are also not spending the $12.50-$35.00 a box and up so we are on completely different playing fields. Not that we are better but searching for a different outcome. Grauhannen is correct about good lots working in good rifles. It is rimfire so exceptions can happen but when I buy a case I want the 1/4 not the 4/4 not that most will know what I’m speaking of.

Murphy Law.

But by time you find a good lot, you used up most of the ammo, then you cannot find anymore and back to square one.
 
Murphy Law.

But by time you find a good lot, you used up most of the ammo, then you cannot find anymore and back to square one.

Haha that’s a good point but when I find a great lot I buy as many cases as can be found. Eventually it all gets shot and the process once again starts. Wallet depleting time once again lol
 
Below is some tentative information relating to the difficulty of finding good .22LR match ammo.

When it comes to getting a good lot of ammo it's a gamble. On average, most lots of non-entry level .22LR match ammo -- for example Lapua varieties such as Center X and Midas + as opposed to SK varieties -- will shoot similarly. That is to say the majority of CX shoots the same way. Some lots, of course, will be better and some worse. Shooters test to find the better ones and identify the ones that are disappointing.

To illustrate, in 2022 I had six different lots of Center X of which I had a brick each. Despite some variation in results from one range session to the next because of unidentical conditions and ammo variation within the lots, five of the six produced results that were close enough to make virtually the same. One lot stood out as clearly different. (See the table below.)

Note that the following 2022 100 yard results represent a relatively small sample size, with only 20 ten-shot groups (200 rounds) for each lot. Each lot is identified by the last three digits of the lot number.



The odds of finding the stand out, better lots don't seem to be good. In 2021 when I began collecting 100 yard results (see the table below), I had in quantity two different lots of Center X. CX lot 253 produced significantly better results than lot 061.

(I had tested these two and several other CX lots in late 2021 in cold and windy conditions and bought in quantity the two I hoped were best. The disparity between the two is an indictment of my testing, illustrating the dangers of testing inadequately and in poor conditions.)



Out of the eight lots of CX I tested in 2021 -2022, only one was what might be considered better than the others, and that was CX 253 (which except for a single brick I have remaining must be long gone from dealers shelves).

I have results from last shooting season (2023) for three newer CX lots manufactured in 2022. I haven't collated the data. Suffice it to say that two of the three were similar to the the majority of the 2022 CX results. The third was very disappointing. A friend who had these same lots texted me from his range to show his results. When I saw how poor his results were with the CX he just shot, I asked him if it was the same lot as the one I had that was poor. It was.

The bottom line is that most lots of match ammo are likely to give similar results, but some will be poor and perhaps one (or two) will be good. In Canada we don't get enough different lots of match ammo to have good chances of getting many really good ones.
 
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Not that your post wasnt expected, but once again Glenn youve shown what many fail to realize. The name on the box can be an indicator but its just a pointer in a direction that may not leade you too where youd like. My experience with several lots of Lapua Exact have been way less than stellar. Actually outshot with many lower priced/grade target ammo. When you can fire three plus boxes that print better for 1/3 the price , well?? Glenn your testing actually means something with the scope of your findings. Thanks its appreciated by those in the know.
 
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