Lathe tool holder needed
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You’re probably better off updating to a newer standard. I doubt anyone still makes these, and due to their rarity, likely command a high price when found. The 40 position “Swiss” holders are great, though the dual dovetail ones work well enough.
Agree to the above - get a modern Quick Change Tool Post and Tool Holders for it.
For a 13" you are probably needing a BXA style similar to this:
http://www.shars.com/products/toolh...uick-change-tool-post-set-piston-type-200-bxa
For a 13" you are probably needing a BXA style similar to this:
http://www.shars.com/products/toolh...uick-change-tool-post-set-piston-type-200-bxa
Looks like a nice mid-point between a Dickson Style, and a Swiss Multi-Fix tool post.
Got a milling machine? Make a batch.
No need to Harden them, as they have to withstand your own use, rather than the abuse of the wage monkeys that don't really care.
If you are not willing to make a batch, look hard at the Chinese 40 position tool posts, a clone of the MultiFix, which, by reports that I have read, doesn't entirely suck. CreateTool, on ebay IIRC. Other than that, you are stuck looking at all the rest.
I feel yer pain, as I have a hand full of tool holders for a tool post that I have yet to find at a price I am willing to pay, and I also have a very nice Italian made tool post that has a set of tool holders, but to my taste would be much better with about twice as many...
Looking at that one, most of the cuts could be done with just a basic milling cutter in a vise. Depending on how adventurous you were feeling, the radius that the tool seats against the post could be done with the mill, or lathe, or roughed with the mill then finished by the use of abrasive paper wrapped around a spud of the correct diameter. Or rework the design to have two flat planes in place of the radius on each side.
One place that 'might' be worth a try is on the practicalmachinist site. Post a want ad on the Tools and Accessories sub-forum. Someone there might be able to put you on to a name, if the company still exists or not, so at least you know what to ask for.
Good luck!
Got a milling machine? Make a batch.
No need to Harden them, as they have to withstand your own use, rather than the abuse of the wage monkeys that don't really care.
If you are not willing to make a batch, look hard at the Chinese 40 position tool posts, a clone of the MultiFix, which, by reports that I have read, doesn't entirely suck. CreateTool, on ebay IIRC. Other than that, you are stuck looking at all the rest.
I feel yer pain, as I have a hand full of tool holders for a tool post that I have yet to find at a price I am willing to pay, and I also have a very nice Italian made tool post that has a set of tool holders, but to my taste would be much better with about twice as many...
Looking at that one, most of the cuts could be done with just a basic milling cutter in a vise. Depending on how adventurous you were feeling, the radius that the tool seats against the post could be done with the mill, or lathe, or roughed with the mill then finished by the use of abrasive paper wrapped around a spud of the correct diameter. Or rework the design to have two flat planes in place of the radius on each side.
One place that 'might' be worth a try is on the practicalmachinist site. Post a want ad on the Tools and Accessories sub-forum. Someone there might be able to put you on to a name, if the company still exists or not, so at least you know what to ask for.
Good luck!
for the cost its better purchasing a new one with the holders, these older styles were not interchangeable between manufacturers and unless you luck out chances of finding one is pretty remote, anyone with this setup now will not let just a holder or two go
its possible to make a couple if you have a decent milling machine,
its possible to make a couple if you have a decent milling machine,
there is one on ebay Drehblitz Tool Post 'TYPE DB 70' and Single Tool Holder DB701, ULTRA RARE quite expensive on practical machinist they discuss the holder see
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/unusual-looking-qctp-219422/
there is no reason you could not make them out of aluminum, its not in a production shop
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/unusual-looking-qctp-219422/
there is no reason you could not make them out of aluminum, its not in a production shop
The 701 indexes for angles quick and easy so I'm inclined to stick with it. I have a 200bxa type and find the 90 degree is annoying. Trevj may be right and I should just bite the bullet and make a few. That's some great information thanks all for the input.
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Its a very nice setup for angle changes, i can see why you wouldn't want to give up on it.
The little bit of reading I did says that these were rated at a higher repeatability than the Swiss MultiFix style, which was a bit of a surprise to me. That makes them VERY good!
I made a few tool holders for a small lathe post. Made them in batches, essentially sticks of stock, about a foot long, that I was able to set up on the mill so I could do all the operations that would become a half dozen or more holders at once. Then they were sawed oversize, and the other operations were set up so that once the first was good, it was just a matter of swapping in the next and repeating the passes. Not exiting, but well worth while. One gains an appreciation for a power feed with a kick-off!
I would suppose that in this day and age, if you were so inclined, you could farm out some of the final cuts to a EDM Shop or a CNC Grinding shop, to ensure that the surfaces are correct, but it would really depend on access to those locally.
I made a few tool holders for a small lathe post. Made them in batches, essentially sticks of stock, about a foot long, that I was able to set up on the mill so I could do all the operations that would become a half dozen or more holders at once. Then they were sawed oversize, and the other operations were set up so that once the first was good, it was just a matter of swapping in the next and repeating the passes. Not exiting, but well worth while. One gains an appreciation for a power feed with a kick-off!
I would suppose that in this day and age, if you were so inclined, you could farm out some of the final cuts to a EDM Shop or a CNC Grinding shop, to ensure that the surfaces are correct, but it would really depend on access to those locally.
I can't argue with experience like that, but I can say with some authority, that a good quick change tool post is right up there with a digital readout, as far as changing the way that I thought about stuff, as well as making it really hard to go back.
Having the ability to have a couple regularly used tools, boring bars, and the like, all ready to go and able to be dropped in place with a very high probability of their being correctly set (they should be, if they are in your own shop, but may not be, in a shop with other users) , makes the question of switching tools back and forth a non-event. Adding a DRO, esp one that can be programmed to recall where the zero is for each tool (most DRO's these days) allows for really rapid making of small parts in one setting, one after the other.
I have used rocker tool posts to good effect, clamp type, basically a top clamp that holds the cutter holder, as well as a couple different types of QCTP. I am partial to the Tripan style, but have a Dickson style for one of my lathes as well.
I still have it with every holder one could have and was trained back in the 70's on a rocker tool post. Nothing wrong with them and anything can be done by them. It taught me how to grind HSS bits and know exactly how to center that bit or offset it for the best cut. I have a box full of various cutters that are ground and experimented that are still ready to go.
I bought a Dorian quick change when it was on sale ages ago and haven't looked back. I still use some of those bits in the QC holders. It's been fun though turning that old South Bend into QC carbide insert setup and running it at the highest speeds constantly. From CNMG, SNMG, TNMG, TCMT, various OD/ID threading, etc. Different inserts for different metals. Enough to make your head spin, but they work if you know which insert to use. I've watch some CNC machines not even using coolant or cutting oil. Set the feed and speed and the chips just blue right off.
For gunsmithing, the old rocker and HSS is all you need for the one man shop, no doubt.
That art is being lost though as the younger generations are not being taught it.
I bought a Dorian quick change when it was on sale ages ago and haven't looked back. I still use some of those bits in the QC holders. It's been fun though turning that old South Bend into QC carbide insert setup and running it at the highest speeds constantly. From CNMG, SNMG, TNMG, TCMT, various OD/ID threading, etc. Different inserts for different metals. Enough to make your head spin, but they work if you know which insert to use. I've watch some CNC machines not even using coolant or cutting oil. Set the feed and speed and the chips just blue right off.
For gunsmithing, the old rocker and HSS is all you need for the one man shop, no doubt.
That art is being lost though as the younger generations are not being taught it.
