Lazy Dog Bomblets

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http://cgi.ebay.com/LAZY-DOG-BOMB-A...yZ104002QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It would be nice to be able to get these to Canada. Do you think customs would get a ####ty on though? Are they considered flechettes? Best regards Tony. PS did I say how much I hate Canada Customs personell?

"You are bidding on a hand-picked set of 10 military-issue "lazy dog bombs" or gravity grenades used by our United States Military Forces in WWII up through the Vietnam war to wipe out enemy troops in the jungles below.

You will get a set of 10 original, unissued, unused and excellent examples of the infamous Lazy Dog Bomb which were designed to be dropped from a plane on targets below. The fins would stabilize the bomb so the point would travel through the air first to reduce drag and increase velocity until it reached a terminal velocity of up to 500 MPH!

Besides being called "Lazy Dog Bombs", these are also sometimes called Red Dot Bombs and Yellow Dog Bombs, cluster bombs or bomblets. Sometimes these are incorrectly called fletchettes...this is item is NOT a fletchette, which is a nail with the fins stamped out from the head of the nail.

These were developed in WWII but did not have a chance to be deployed before the end of the war. They were first deployed in Vietnam, but there was great controversy about their use and wether they voilated the Geneva Convention because they were so silent and deadly and demoralizing to troops.

Imaging being in the silent jungle, and all of a sudden you see all the leaves and branches of the trees exlode and fall to the jungle floor, and all the troops around you are injured or dead. This was the wrath of the lazy dog bomb.

This item is completely inert and was never designed to contain any propellent or explosive. It would simply develop an incredible amount of kinetic energy as it fell to earth and would penetrate nearly any material when they hit the ground, and would actually vaporize some targets because so much energy was being dissapated! These would supposedly contain more energy upon impact than a 50 caliber shot! In the Viet Nam war, they were dropped by the bucketload from UH-1 Huey helicopters over the jungles, and dropped by the crateload from bombers with devastating results to targets in the jungles below.

These units were manufactured between 1945 and 1969 are still in factory new condition, unissued and undropped, and still have the factory-applied packing cosmoline on them (seen in the photos looking like reddish brown laquer) and no rust!

These items were dropped from helicopters and bombers over the jungles and other troop concentrations, and they would not explode but just hit the targets with kinetic energy like a bullet.

These will look great in your military display, on your computer monitor, and are great conversation starters. The individual units (you'll have 10 of them) also make great gifts for your WWII and Vietnam friends! "
 
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very cool, I've never seen these before, or even heard of them in 25 years of reading on military hardware. Just curious, but have you verified that they are indeed what the seller claims? I haven't read everything in the world by any means, but how would these be dropped? Some sort of droge container that would open after release?
 
back in my high school days, the local surplus store used to sell these things for about 2 bits a piece- always had boxes of them in a booth at stampede
don't rightly see the fascination some folks have with them-but some folks buy training grenades and belts of dewat ammo too- the local surplus guy used to claim they just opened the bomb bay and dropped them direct from the cardboard box- and that that velocity, they'd go right through anything, like tank armour- more b/s
 
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http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgu.../images?q=lazy+dog+bombs&gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en

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"Another Armament Laboratory program was coded LAZY DOG, which involved Delco Products Corporation, F&F Mold and Die Works, Inc., Haines Designed Products, and Master Vibrator Company of Dayton. The project objective was to design and test free-fall missiles and their dispensing units for use in bombers and fighters. LAZY DOG anti-personnel missiles were designed to spray enemy troops with small projectiles with three times the force of standard air-burst bombs. The Armament Laboratory in conjunction with the Flight Test Laboratory conducted wind tunnel tests of a number of bomb shapes, which design studies indicated to be the most efficient for stowage and release from high performance aircraft.


LAZY DOG projectiles of various shapes and sizes were tested at Air Proving Ground, Eglin AFB, Florida, in late 1951 and early 1952. An F-84, flying at 400 knots and 75 feet above the ground, served as the test bed while a jeep and a B-24 were the targets. The result was eight hits per square yard. Tests revealed Shapes 2 and 5 to be the most effective. Shape 5, an improved basic LAZY DOG slug, had the force of a .50 caliber bullet and could penetrate 24 inches of packed sand. Shape 2 could penetrate 12 inches of sand, as opposed to the six-inch penetration of a .45 caliber slug fired point blank.

The Shape 2 projectile was sent to FEAF for combat use by mid-1952. FEAF immediately ordered 16,000 of the 500-pound bombs. Lieutenant Colonel Haile with the Armament Laboratory spent 90 days in Japan to set up local manufacture of the bombs and to train crewmembers in their use. Project LAZY DOG continued throughout 1952 to determine the optimum characteristics for stable dispersion containers and the feasibility of substituting a LAZY DOG warhead for the explosive nose of the Matador. The LAZY DOG program was still ongoing in the late 1950s.35"

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgu.../images?q=lazy+dog+bombs&gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en

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I have no idea how I managed to find out about these things, I think it was some website of some kind.
 
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Lazy Dog Missiles
Category Weapons
Sub-Category Non-Edged Weapons

Developed as an antipersonnel weapon during the 1950's, Lazy Dog missiles were made from steel, weighed approximately 0.7 ounces (19 grams) and contained no fuze or explosive charge. Designed to shower the target, they were loaded into a container bomb that would release them after exploding thirty yards above the ground. However, in the early years of U.S. involvement in Vietnam helicopter crewmen literally threw bucket loads of them out the chopper's door while flying at speed over enemy positions. They could also be dropped from fixed wing cargo planes or thrown from small aircraft.

Each micro-missile was fin-stabilized and capable of attaining a terminal velocity of 700 feet per second, which produced penetrating power equivalent to between a 45-calibre slug and a 30-calibre carbine.

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tonyg said:
Each micro-missile was fin-stabilized and capable of attaining a terminal velocity of 700 feet per second, which produced penetrating power equivalent to between a 45-calibre slug and a 30-calibre carbine.
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Hold on a minute!

How is this possible from a fixed wing aircraft or helicopter that isn't capable of dropping these at that velocity? (700 feet per second)
These fall via gravity do they not? :confused:
 
Calum, everything you drop from high enough is going to reach it's terminal velocity, which depends on it's mass and shape, and cross sectional area. All the information I have seen so far suggests a terminal velocity of 500 miles per hour, and they were never intended to pierce through tanks and apc's, just koog heads. However it was not a new concept at the time the Americans perfected them, similar devices were used in WWI; by the Huns and Allies both and dropped from bombers of the time.

. . . However if there are any Vietnam vets out there who has any experience at all with this weapons system I would sure appreciate it if you would tell us some stories about how they were deployed, and their effect upon the enemy and their soft skinned vehicles. Best regards Tony.
 
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Hey man it's fun isn't it? about a year ago, I got a good edumucation in Terminal Velocity, it was really slow at work and me and one of my workmates started a discussion about Colonel Kettinger's world record HALO jump back in the 1960's. Terminal velocity can never be exceeded. At first he didn't believe it was more than 200 mph but then how do you explain stuff like the Grand Slam and Tall Boy bombs(3600 fps terminal velocity?). Have a good one Tony.
 
fat tony said:
Hey man it's fun isn't it? about a year ago, I got a good edumucation in Terminal Velocity, it was really slow at work and me and one of my workmates started a discussion about Colonel Kettinger's world record HALO jump back in the 1960's. Terminal velocity can never be exceeded. At first he didn't believe it was more than 200 mph but then how do you explain stuff like the Grand Slam and Tall Boy bombs(3600 fps terminal velocity?). Have a good one Tony.
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aerodynamics is everything...tall boy and grand slam both were stream lined to acheive near supersonic velocities..the humam body is much less so...and the velocity (terminal) can be altered by the position of the diver....very neat stuff indeed!
 
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