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Picked up an old issue of Guns & Ammo from our basement last night for something to look at. Like April, 1965 old. In it is a series of "50 most-often-asked questions on reloading," by Lysle D. Kilborn. In case you don't know who that gentleman is, I shall tell you. It states he is internationally known for his work on improved case design, and among other things, designed the K Hornet. It says he has had a lifetime of tool making and gunsmithing.
I have the first edition of Lyman's Handbook of Cast Bullets. In the book is a page telling how they put the first edition together. They state, "In between answering thousands of letters from our reloading friends, Lysle Kilbourn, on the Lyman staff, gave a great deal of time-- designing and testing data--"
The build up is just to show that when he states something about reloading, it should be correct.
In the magazine article is the question, "Can a gas check designed bullet be shot less the gas check, at the lower velocity, as satisfactory as a plain base bullet?"
This question comes up on these threads, and I for one, have always stated that they are not as satisfacory without a gas check. Here is Mr Kilbourn's answer.
"All things being equal, a gas check bullet less the gas check should perform just as good as a plain base bullet of similar design and weight."
 
Picked up an old issue of Guns & Ammo from our basement last night for something to look at. Like April, 1965 old. In it is a series of "50 most-often-asked questions on reloading," by Lysle D. Kilborn. In case you don't know who that gentleman is, I shall tell you. It states he is internationally known for his work on improved case design, and among other things, designed the K Hornet. It says he has had a lifetime of tool making and gunsmithing.
I have the first edition of Lyman's Handbook of Cast Bullets. In the book is a page telling how they put the first edition together. They state, "In between answering thousands of letters from our reloading friends, Lysle Kilbourn, on the Lyman staff, gave a great deal of time-- designing and testing data--"
The build up is just to show that when he states something about reloading, it should be correct.
In the magazine article is the question, "Can a gas check designed bullet be shot less the gas check, at the lower velocity, as satisfactory as a plain base bullet?"
This question comes up on these threads, and I for one, have always stated that they are not as satisfacory without a gas check. Here is Mr Kilbourn's answer.
"All things being equal, a gas check bullet less the gas check should perform just as good as a plain base bullet of similar design and weight."

:)We have the same book and mine is very tattered and showing it age and amount of use it's had. Starting on page 25 is an article by the gentleman you've mentioned, Lysle Kilbourn, Selecting The Right Bullet For Your Gun. Wish I could get another copy of that 1st Edition Lyman Handbook of Cast Bullets however, with a little care, this one should last for my needs;).

A helpful article I have on cast bullets is titled Aids to Cast Bullet Accuracy, Step by Step. Can't recall who or where I got it from but it's not bad.
 
Yes Johnn, we certainly have the same book! Mine is also tattered and the cover is held on by Duct Tape. I poured over every word of it when I was starting to reload, but usually just refer to it now for the loading charts.
We are probably a bit tattered now also, compared to when the book was new!
 
Yes Johnn, we certainly have the same book! Mine is also tattered and the cover is held on by Duct Tape. I poured over every word of it when I was starting to reload, but usually just refer to it now for the loading charts.
We are probably a bit tattered now also, compared to when the book was new!

I've got the latest edition of Lymans plus one by RCBS but I always seen to refer back to the Lyman 1st edition tattered copy. I've just acquired a 455 Webley Mark VI from the family and estate of a shooting buddy. I got some hollow base bullets for it from my friend in Duncan that look very much like the Lyman # 457196. Looking for loads;), back to 'old tattered', Pages 164 and 197.

We may be a little tattered but as the song goes, "I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once, as I ever was".:p
:cheers:
Johnn
 
Gas check boolit without gas check = cheap

In the magazine article is the question, "Can a gas check designed bullet be shot less the gas check, at the lower velocity, as satisfactory as a plain base bullet?"
This question comes up on these threads, and I for one, have always stated that they are not as satisfacory without a gas check. Here is Mr Kilbourn's answer.
"All things being equal, a gas check bullet less the gas check should perform just as good as a plain base bullet of similar design and weight."

Thanks for sharing that with us Bruce! I am a neophyte when it comes to reloading and casting, which is why I kept quiet when I saw your comments about sans-gascheck being no good, even though I have tested quite a few shots already and found them to be satisfactory :D

I am still in load development stage, but I got my start from George over at Milsurp's who started me on to trying the CE Harris "The Load" using the boolit cast from that same man's mould. At reduced loads, I have found them to be reasonable accurate in my LE. Perhaps my load is a little too much reduced (as I had to adjust the sights on my LE), but they were low and the bullets were thrown straight and true. I guess my next step will be to get a chrony to measure the speed so that I can be more sure of what I'm doing.

Again, thanks for sharing this with us, and I for one, am glad that we all can learn so much from the past experts of our hobby. :)
 
... I've just acquired a 455 Webley Mark VI from the family and estate of a shooting buddy. I got some hollow base bullets for it from my friend in Duncan that look very much like the Lyman # 457196...

Interesting. I just bought a .455 Webley off the EE and suspect that I may need special bullets for it. I currently have Bullet Barn 250g (for the .45 Colt) but these may be too small and too hard. Won't know until I get my loading gear and have some time to try them out. Ben Hunchak may have a suitable bullet as well. I've been scouring the net for load data as well. Seems like there are a numbert of powders that will work, incl. 231 which I have on hand. But I'm thinking that a bulky powder like Trail Boss might be the ticket for this low-velocity round.

:) Stuart
 
The problem with 1965 magazines is the ads on the back pages for $12.00 Lee Enfileds and $19.00 Mausers.

In 1965 I was working in the CIL ammunition Division research labs, hand loading ammo and running tests of production ammo in the lab range. I was paid $65 a week. Those guns did not look cheap at that time.
 
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