CaptainPhillips
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Bingo! If you cannot shoot without the sled.....you are obviously not suitable for that caliber.
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Led sled recoil
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Bingo! If you cannot shoot without the sled.....you are obviously not suitable for that caliber.
rifleman762
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It's not a matter of being able to shoot without the sled. When I need to take 50 shots in a day from a sporter weight 300 or 338 magnum in order to do load development it's a bit different than a 5 shot sight-in or zero confirmation with factory ammo. After the load development is done I re-zero off a bipod and rear support (daypack, etc) shooting prone and take 5-10 practice shots per range day. That's with my current 200gr 300 Win Mag from field positions. Then I shoot a lot more with my 308, also from varying positions.
You do it your way, I'll do it mine. Load development (or testing different factory ammo for accuracy) is about testing the rifle and ammo, not the shooter; I eliminate the variables.
i ve witnessed a cracked stock from a 416 rigby. (not my rifle, not the shooter, not my ammo, not my lead sled but enough to cure me of using it) the energy has to go somewhere. the next day i sold my own one that i never really used anyway.
If the rifle can't move anywhere, than that energy is going to be transferred from the barreled action to the stock/chassis via the action lug and action screws. And I have no doubt that the scope would take some abuse as well.
The energy definitely has to go somewhere.
It doesn't always work that way. I've seen POI shifts when shooting with or without the brake, everything else (shooting position/technique) remaining the same.
Some POI shifts from simply removing the brake have been significant enough that I wouldn't use it hunting without first making a scope readjustment.
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I have experienced this in my 270 Win and 30-06. I really had to tighten down my scope rings. I didn’t need to worry about my stock since it is synthetic (Weatherby Vanguards). I use occasionally my Caldwell lead sled version 3 which is great for the purpose of load development.
I think the scope would receive less recoil, less shock than it would when a shouldered rifle is fired. If the rifle can't move at all (sleds move), there is no inertia.
A scope receives shock when the recoil is very quick or if the quick recoil is stopped quickly. Scopes are made to handle that recoil and stoppage from a shouldered gun. Using a heavy sled slows that recoil and there is less stress on the scope due to less inertia.
As an example if you want to increase the shock a scope gets fire a light weight rifle 300 Magnum rifle with the butt stock freely held 6 inches from a large tree... that rifle will snap back very quickly and stop as suddenly with a good possibility of stock breakage and the most stress put on the scope.
If you need to make up for a feeling of general inadequacy, take up trolling the web with commentary about others being inadequate.
My parents use a lead sled once in a while, and I don't have or use one but am overall apathetic and would maybe use for load development for a larger caliber in a lighter rifle if one was handy. Dad's humerus bones in both his shoulders are both titanium, wore them out doing carpentry over the years, many on here have injuries, some serving this country with a firearm in hand.
Calling folks on here sissies or pussies doesn't do anything for the shooting community, i get if it is in Jestful context, usually followed by an emoji as text doesn't show intent so much, but if you have nothing to contribute to the community, feel free to not contribute.
Back on topic of optics and recoil, I agree with guntech, its simple physics, a heavier object under the same forces will be accelerated slower (relative to a lighter object), less "snap" and less shock, although most of that snap will probably occur as the recoil pad is compressed into the lead sled during milliseconds and not be as apparent, so it may not decrease the forces to the optic as much as the shooter. To what exact extent, a slow motion camera would show this better but depends on variables including what kind of recoil pad is used to each specific rifle.
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Well said. I like shooting from my Bulls Bag sandbags mostly and occasionally from my lead sled for load development ... or just a change of pace. It helps when my shoulder gets sore and I am too stubborn to quit ... lol
Load development is one thing. I can buy that argument. But I don't think it's a good tool for sighting a rifle in. How you interface with the rifle when pulling the trigger will have an effect on your POI, which will not be accounted for if you sight in with a lead sled. Especially on rifles with more recoil, where any lack of fundamentals will change your POI more as the recoil exploits the weakness in your shooting.
If you want to reduce recoil, you should probably check out these two videos.
The difference between this approach to a lead sled is that the rope or strap will stretch under recoil as opposed to a firm association with a weight with a lead sled that causes an abrupt change in harmonics. Accuracy actually improves with this type of shooting.
The stretch slowly reduces recoil without the shooter having to shoulder the rifle at all.
Then you also have the option of using both in conjunction with each other where the strap is combined with some shoulder pressure, if you feel the need. Myself, I usually hang back with my shoulder and let the rifle recoil freely during matches, but I do cheek it firmly into the bag.
It is important to note that the preload is in reverse to a traditional forward pressure and that you actually pull rearward to load the system.
The difference between this approach to a lead sled is that the rope or strap will stretch under recoil as opposed to a firm association with a weight with a lead sled that causes an abrupt change in harmonics. Accuracy actually improves with this type of shooting.
The stretch slowly reduces recoil without the shooter having to shoulder the rifle at all.
Then you also have the option of using both in conjunction with each other where the strap is combined with some shoulder pressure, if you feel the need. Myself, I usually hang back with my shoulder and let the rifle recoil freely during matches, but I do cheek it firmly into the bag.
It is important to note that the preload is in reverse to a traditional forward pressure and that you actually pull rearward to load the system.
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There's an excellent thread on that here
http://forum.snipershide.com/threads/recoil-control-bipods.6954020/page-5
Which one of you CGN'ers is PracticalTactical?
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Sure, you could do that.
It should only take 5 rounds or less to sight in a rifle anyways, so I can't see why that would be necessary. But one could do that.
My biggest gripe with the lead sled is how awkward they are. Never seems like you’re in a normal position. Only half way comfortable if your bench is high enough to stand behind. A friend uses his that way, but mine just collects dust .
