Lee Enfield #4 Parts Brochure

The manual is the 2002 Canadian parts manual for the No.4 Enfield rifle that I donated to Badgers website and the manual has nothing to do with the EAL version of the Enfield rifle. ;)

The reason I'm stating this is because six years ago you could not find any Enfield books or manuals anywhere on the internet because your Canadian "buddy" Steven Redgwell from http://www.303british.com/ was going around emailing all the Enfield forums stating that having these manuals was breaking Canadian copyright laws.

The problem with this statement was it was an out right lie and Steve Redgwell did this so he could sell more of his Enfield books. I lost my entire manual sticky at ParallaxBills website and half my manual sticky at Gunboards because of Steve Redgwell.

If you take notice 95% of all the Enfield books and manuals at Badgers website were donated by me, and are free to download and cost YOU nothing in return. My screen name is bigedp51, my real name is Ed Horton and I have spent more money tracking down and obtaining Enfield books and manuals than I have spent on collecting Enfield rifles.

All of you should send a BIG kiss to Steve Redgwell for all he has done for the Enfield rifle community. :rolleyes:

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in that case a big thanks to you big ed ... and DND for preparing it.

WRT to the NSN's ... apparently the number that Mr Wheatley has provided in the past regarding the EAL is short a digit - would anybody know the missing digit // looks like the first 6 are valid
eg 1005 (small arms) 21 (Canada) which should be followed by seven digits...not the six as we have previously seen
 
The 8-8 number below is 'odd' and normally would be three numbers without the dash, see link below.

NOTE: I have never seen an American NSN with a "dash" in place of a real number and I worked 38 years at a military depot.


"Various Canadian government documents refer to the E.A.L. Rifle military model as NATO stock number 1005-21-8-8-9499 and RCAF number EO.30-65FE. Other RCAF documents list the E.A.L. Rifle as ".303 cal rifle sports model". Rifles in the range of 6280 to 6999 appear to have been issued to Ranger units."

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=69618.0

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=44250&page=2
 
The 8-8 number below is 'odd' and normally would be three numbers without the dash, see link below.

NOTE: I have never seen an American NSN with a "dash" in place of a real number and I worked 38 years at a military depot.
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Agreed - AFAIK the NSN convention has been 13 digits not 12 since the beginning. Would be interesting to find out what the real NSN is for the EAL - or alternatively determine if one never existed. Thanks again.
 
The stock number should be 1005-21-808-9499 if I recall correctly.

There were still a few hundred of the EALs in stock back around 2000. The LCMM mentioned at the time they would soon be leaving.

Edited to add : I just looked it up on the old microfiche I have dated 1984. It lists the above stock number as:
Rifle, caliber .303 no4 mk1 star modified to sporting model for survival kit in accordance with RCAF EO-30-65FE.
42.00" OA length, w 5 shot magazine fitted with a recoil pad. NSCM33333

Unit cost was $50.45 each and they were B class, which was somewhat unusual for a weapon, as weapons were usually S class (accounted for by serial number).

I just had a look at the PDF which started this thread, and the EAL is listed on page 2-5 as item number 2-1-1
 
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I just had a look at the PDF which started this thread, and the EAL is listed on page 2-5 as item number 2-1-1
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BINGO!!! Thanks very much Sten Collector ... that sure provides a better picture into the provenance of the "EAL" from DND's perspective. The fact that they were given their own serial numbers is of interest. I am wondering if the numbers came from CAL rather than "Essential Agencies Ltd" ... which in my simple mind equates to CAL as the manufacturer .. oh well maybe just semantics at this point.

BTW thanks BadgerDog (dachshund?) for the links!! The internet sure is grand!

Would be interesting to find the RCAF "Engineering Order" 30-65FE to see what it specifies
 
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BINGO!!! Thanks very much Sten Collector ... that sure provides a better picture into the provenance of the "EAL" from DND's perspective. The fact that they were given their own serial numbers is of interest. I am wondering if the numbers came from CAL rather than "Essential Agencies Ltd" ... which in my simple mind equates to CAL as the manufacturer .. oh well maybe just semantics at this point.

BTW thanks BadgerDog (dachshund?) for the links!! The internet sure is grand!

Would be interesting to find the RCAF "Engineering Order" 30-65FE to see what it specifies
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I am not sure what you mean by "their own serial numbers". Are you referring to the Nato Stock Number?
 
I am not sure what you mean by "their own serial numbers". Are you referring to the Nato Stock Number
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no - was thinking (or at least I am under the impression that) most "sporterized" No.4's retain their original arsenal serial number. The EAL's - who's receivers were obviously produced at an arsenal - received their own serial numbers.
 
they were B class, which was somewhat unusual for a weapon, as weapons were usually S class (accounted for by serial number).
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curious .. I have heard of Class A, B, C and D stores ... can't say I am familiar with Class S ... Generally a serialized item that went missing caused a Board of Inquiry ...eg class A and most of class B. I don't think weapons classified as "B" is unusual
 
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curious .. I have heard of Class A, B, C and D stores ... can't say I am familiar with Class S ... Generally a serialized item that went missing caused a Board of Inquiry ...eg class A and most of class B. I don't think weapons classified as "B" is unusual
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I just checked the fiche again, and you are right for that time period. FNs, etc are all simply B class. I believe that they later changed weapons over to S class, around the late 90s. I seem to recall where a supply computer check could tell you what unit held a certain serial number, or you could list all the serials of a certain stock number for a unit.
 
A number of "EAL" type rifles exist in the system and are with the military mapping division. There are two series of serial numbers and none seem to make any sense right now. Some are LB numbers and others look like just a series of consecutive numbers.
 
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this would be known as the Mapping and Charting Establishment and part of the Canadian Military Engineers afaik

Interesting that they would still hold some of these firearms


edited to add ... come to think of it all the folks I have met that are fascinated by maps - eg more than a tool to get from A to B are kind of "special" in their own way!!
 
I apologize for resurrecting an older thread, but this is in regard to the 1005-21-808-9499 (EAL) RCAF survival rifle. Turns out there were still 46 in Edmonton and 117 in Montreal depots as of this year.

Other than the possibility that some may be offered to museums, the bulk of these will be smeltered when the time comes to dispose of them.
 
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