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A gentleman at work said that his son's cadet group is turning in their Lee Enfield .22 LR training rifles to the armorer at CFB Chilliwack and getting Anschutz rifles as trainers. He said many were in beautiful condition but he thought they might be destroyed.

All I could think of, was that they would be a fabulous piece of heritage and great starting rifles for my daughters.

Does anyone know if there is a process to ensure these are not destroyed but rather available for public purchase?
 
Nope, they will either be Deactivated for parade use, or scrapped. The Liberals felt that these 60 year old, single shot, .22 rifle are way to dangerous for anyone other then the military to possess. All firearms under ownership of the Crown can not be sold into the public anymore. This includes old service firearms, and seized firearms.

I understand you, I would love to have a No.7 Enfield, and a Inglis High Power (even if they are a little beat up). But, unless the Conservatives change the law, they will all be washing machines in a few years. Its a shame, they could make $400 per rifle if they were to sell them off, and probably $500 per pistol. That adds up to quite a pretty penny.
 
Wouldn't doubt it.

After all, it's the ARMY Cadets; can't have people thinking that they might have anything to do with (shudder! quake!) MILITARY things!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have tried many times to help out our local Cadet Corps, but I'm not needed or something. Last time I looked, they were about one short step from needlework.

Too bad. Cadets is the oldest national youth organisation in the world. In Canada, it predates Scouting by half a century. It goes all the way back to a time when countries actually defended themselves and citizens thought that they had duties as well as rights.

Oh well, no problem: we get into another war, every politician in the country will turn out to have been strongly in favour of national defence..... and national service for everyone except them and their families..... since Noah was an apprentice in the shipyard.

Yesterday was Adolf Hitler's 121st birthday. Just for fun, I re-read the first half-chapter of Volume 2 of "Mein Kampf". I was using the Harper and Rowe edition of 1943 (reprint, of course, in Harper Torchbooks), the Ralph Manheim translation. The book originally was in 2 volumes and they were just about equal length; to find this section, you can pretty much open it in the middle and look for CHAPTER 1. In that particular bit, Hitler is talking about how a parliamentary system works. If he hadn't been quite so sarcastic.... and if it weren't just a little TOO close to the truth..... it would be the funniest thing you ever read. Check it out some time.
When a nation's government becomes an object of derision and fun, that nation is in a very precarious condition.

Fortunately, we only get an Adolf or a Napoleon every 150 years or so; we're not due for another for a few years yet!

Keep smilin'!
 
The army cadet program is getting neutered. .22 rifles will be used only for biathalon, and those will be the Anshutz types. The excuse for scrapping the Cno7 is that the CF is no longer able to source parts, so the rifles are going to be deactivated and returned to corps for ceremonial use. A member on here actually has the sad task. It is really too bad, because for the cost of providing Anshutz to units that can put on a biathalon team they could get someone like Dlask or AIA to come up with a scaled down Lee Enfield .22 for every single corps that has access to a range.

With that said, part of the problem appears to be clubs that are charging army cadet corps for range time, leading to less .22 shooting in cadets. Obviously there are many other factors, but to the clubs that charge...shame!
 
smellie said:
Wouldn't doubt it.

After all, it's the ARMY Cadets; can't have people thinking that they might have anything to do with (shudder! quake!) MILITARY things!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have tried many times to help out our local Cadet Corps, but I'm not needed or something. Last time I looked, they were about one short step from needlework.

Too bad. Cadets is the oldest national youth organisation in the world. In Canada, it predates Scouting by half a century. It goes all the way back to a time when countries actually defended themselves and citizens thought that they had duties as well as rights.

Oh well, no problem: we get into another war, every politician in the country will turn out to have been strongly in favour of national defence..... and national service for everyone except them and their families..... since Noah was an apprentice in the shipyard.

Yesterday was Adolf Hitler's 121st birthday. Just for fun, I re-read the first half-chapter of Volume 2 of "Mein Kampf". I was using the Harper and Rowe edition of 1943 (reprint, of course, in Harper Torchbooks), the Ralph Manheim translation. The book originally was in 2 volumes and they were just about equal length; to find this section, you can pretty much open it in the middle and look for CHAPTER 1. In that particular bit, Hitler is talking about how a parliamentary system works. If he hadn't been quite so sarcastic.... and if it weren't just a little TOO close to the truth..... it would be the funniest thing you ever read. Check it out some time.
When a nation's government becomes an object of derision and fun, that nation is in a very precarious condition.

Fortunately, we only get an Adolf or a Napoleon every 150 years or so; we're not due for another for a few years yet!

Keep smilin'!
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I have the same problem, I quit trying to help out about 3 years ago now.

One unit complained that with me there the cadets were confused because I outranked the CO, so they didn't want me there anymore. :rolleyes:

But yes it was a great program but it really started slipping in the late 80's early 90's when they removed the "military training" from the program
 
Oh and the C7's will be destroyed.

They are not gettign worn out, but the 'experts' in the Cadet organization have complained that the rifles are too big and too heavy and too old for the cadets to use.

They went to air rifles
 
some around here still have them, im told army will have them or have the enfields replaced with anschutz. Sea and air get air rifles.
 
woodchopper said:
Oh and the C7's will be destroyed.

They are not gettign worn out, but the 'experts' in the Cadet organization have complained that the rifles are too big and too heavy and too old for the cadets to use.

They went to air rifles
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You mean No7's right? Too heavy, lol. I shot em when i weighed less then 90 lbs, it's not like they route march with em. Oh well...:(
 
here in gagetown we dewat them all the time, no4's and no7's. sad . were not told why we have to dewat them but i hate drilling a hole into them and putting a tapered pin into them. then off to the mat techs for a weld. some pretty nice old rifles going to waste.
 
John Sukey said:
The real reason; can't have cadets using rifles that shoot AMMUNITION.:mad:
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Except that part where they get replaced with Anschutz rifles...


I suspect the temptation for some units is that they'll be able to get rifles they can't otherwise afford. My old air cadet squadron had both No. 7s, and Anschutz .22s on top of drill rifles. My memory is hazy, but I think the local Lions club helped raise funds for the Anschutz rifles back in the squadron's early days, some thirty-forty years ago.
 
Who is the one that can allow these to be sold off? The Minister of public safety? I am thinking of writing a letter to try and save these on the grounds they are pieces of Canadian History. Worst they cans say in No right?
 
I'm going to toss out some of the counter arguments to switching to air rifles. The CNo.7s are big, long, heavy and old. They haven't been made since the 1940s, and all stocks of parts have been thoroughly triaged trying to make do. For Wpns Techs who expect to see neat and tidy parts drawers, they are a challenge. Soldiers are not taught to 'fix' things, but make them serviceable. And that is just about impossible when every third rifle needs parts. (No slight against the Gun Plumbers, but not every one likes or cares about old guns.)

The air rifles are easier to shoot. They don't put lead dust into the atmosphere. And for anyone who has to cajole or mollycoddle school or CF range administrators or CF medical boards, that is like army wrestling with an octapus.

The air rifles are lighter, easier to #### and don't need to be locked up to the same security orders' standards as firearms. If you want to get depressed, read the Security Manual for the CF. So many things to do and get charged with if not done.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
I'm going to toss out some of the counter arguments to switching to air rifles. The CNo.7s are big, long, heavy and old. They haven't been made since the 1940s, and all stocks of parts have been thoroughly triaged trying to make do. For Wpns Techs who expect to see neat and tidy parts drawers, they are a challenge. Soldiers are not taught to 'fix' things, but make them serviceable. And that is just about impossible when every third rifle needs parts. (No slight against the Gun Plumbers, but not every one likes or cares about old guns.)

The air rifles are easier to shoot. They don't put lead dust into the atmosphere. And for anyone who has to cajole or mollycoddle school or CF range administrators or CF medical boards, that is like army wrestling with an octapus.

The air rifles are lighter, easier to #### and don't need to be locked up to the same security orders' standards as firearms. If you want to get depressed, read the Security Manual for the CF. So many things to do and get charged with if not done.
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The OP mentioned Anschutz rifles, and not the Daisy airguns.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
I'm going to toss out some of the counter arguments to switching to air rifles. The CNo.7s are big, long, heavy and old. They haven't been made since the 1940s, and all stocks of parts have been thoroughly triaged trying to make do. For Wpns Techs who expect to see neat and tidy parts drawers, they are a challenge. Soldiers are not taught to 'fix' things, but make them serviceable. And that is just about impossible when every third rifle needs parts. (No slight against the Gun Plumbers, but not every one likes or cares about old guns.)

The air rifles are easier to shoot. They don't put lead dust into the atmosphere. And for anyone who has to cajole or mollycoddle school or CF range administrators or CF medical boards, that is like army wrestling with an octapus.

The air rifles are lighter, easier to #### and don't need to be locked up to the same security orders' standards as firearms. If you want to get depressed, read the Security Manual for the CF. So many things to do and get charged with if not done.
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I'm offended :D I am not an octapus ;) However I have been called that F@#&ing guy :D so I must be doing a good job :p
 
Wow pretty sad.. I was once in army cadets and got to be on the firing team..we all had the old enfield 22s.. and #### they were accurate..also had a great feel!
 
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