Lee Enfield caliber conversion to 38/357 or ...?

diegocn

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I'm tinkering with the idea of converting a sporter lee enfield into a pistol or intermediate calibre.

The rifle is intended to be used for 3 gun matches for manual/single shot division. I'm well aware there are other options costing similar if not less than converting an LE. But I wanted to try something different and fun. To my understanding the key to a competitive rifle in this division is to have 1. fast cycling action, 2. have at least 10 round capacity and ability to quickly reload it, and 3. a light recoil calibre that's not expensive to shoot. SMLE checks the first 2, but 303 brit is both too expensive and powerful for most 3 gun matches. Hence the idea came forth.

Since the rifle is originally designed for a rimmed cartridge, 38/357 might make the conversion easier? The challenges I see are mainly:

1. Extraction - 303 brit has .540 rim diameter while 38/357 has .440 rim diameter. For extractor to properly grab the case, the bolt head would need to be modified to deepen the cut on the extractor slot further toward the centre of the bolt?
2. Ejection - Empty case ejection on LE is done via friction against left side of the receiver wall, but this is a no go for the much smaller base diameter on 38/357. But there's another ejector screw further back for kicking out live rounds. Can that be used to eject the 38/357 case out? Alternatively one can drill and tap the left side wall to install an additional sidewall block to match the rim profile of the new cartridge?
3. Feeding - From what I gather the control feed is done via the extractor and the side wall? So in order to feed the cartridge straight into the chamber, the additional the left side wall profile still needs to be addressed?
4. Magazine - No idea if 38/357 will fit into the original SMLE mag, potentially with a block + feed ramp installed at the front to take up the difference in COAL?

I know AIA has a Lee Enfield action in 7.62x39. Given 7.62x39 has similar rim diameter as the 38/357, how do they solve these problems?
 
I'm helping with a Rhineland arms 45 acp conversion on an old sporter Enfield. got the kit from wolverine and it looks promising... if we can get the old barrel off without breaking everything.
 
I'm helping with a Rhineland arms 45 acp conversion on an old sporter Enfield. got the kit from wolverine and it looks promising... if we can get the old barrel off without breaking everything.

This is a good point. Seems like they didn't need to modify the bolt/extractor at all.

Care posting some picture of the kit when you have it? Insterested in seeing how they solved the ejector issue on enfield.
 
You will have to locate a different extractor claw and modify it if needed for your cartridge of choice. Exractor claws were also made for 22lr and 7.62 Nato diameters. One of these is needed for the Rhineland 45acp conversion.

The other issue will be magazine conversion. It's possible to modify existing mags to feed just about any cartridge, even 22rf (with a slotted bolt)

You will need to use your imagination and if it's for a pistol cartridge, an appropriate pistol magazine to fit into the original magazine.

I saw a No1 that was converted to 9mm and the owner modified the mag well by making up a block to hold a Browning HiPower (P35) magazine. It worked quite well with several different surplus mags.

All it takes is a bit of ingenuity, time, patience and of course some tools. It's all possible.

No1 and No4 rifles, as well as Enfield P14-17s have been converted to many different rimmed and rimless cartridges, right up to 45-70
 
I'm helping with a Rhineland arms 45 acp conversion on an old sporter Enfield. got the kit from wolverine and it looks promising... if we can get the old barrel off without breaking everything.

You may have to do a relief cut on the barrel to ease in the removal...they can be very stubborn.

R.
 
You will have to locate a different extractor claw and modify it if needed for your cartridge of choice. Exractor claws were also made for 22lr and 7.62 Nato diameters. One of these is needed for the Rhineland 45acp conversion.

The other issue will be magazine conversion. It's possible to modify existing mags to feed just about any cartridge, even 22rf (with a slotted bolt)

You will need to use your imagination and if it's for a pistol cartridge, an appropriate pistol magazine to fit into the original magazine.

I saw a No1 that was converted to 9mm and the owner modified the mag well by making up a block to hold a Browning HiPower (P35) magazine. It worked quite well with several different surplus mags.

All it takes is a bit of ingenuity, time, patience and of course some tools. It's all possible.

No1 and No4 rifles, as well as Enfield P14-17s have been converted to many different rimmed and rimless cartridges, right up to 45-70

Seen where some have fitted Colt style 1911 mags directly to the LE mags via glue/foam/welding. They look funny, but work! Sure a Glock, or any other mag could be made to do the same if it wasn't too wide.

R.
 
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I'm sure it could be done. I have a 9mm Lee. Ive considered a 357 one, but cannot find a donor barrel, that wouldnt be more than the gun.

Biggest issue I've found is getting the magazine angle right for proper feeding. 9mm became a headache and those adapters for the 45 don't work well for the 9mm. Too long of a jump to chamber.

357 Coonan magazines or DE mags might be costly.
 
are there any restrictions on the ammo you use in your competitions? might be easier to shoot 303 reloads at handgun velocities.
 
Hi diegocn,

Are you still interested in a 357 magnum Enfield conversion ?
I am currently working on it using Desert Eagle magazine.
I made a magazine adapter and the associated mag catch/release mechanism.
It feeds and extracts well, but I still have to work on the ejection.
So it is still a "work in progress"

PS: I am the author of the youtube channel "M Agellan" with the Enfield conversions
 
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that is an interesting mag adaptor.

I am still contemplating the 44Mag as an option. I have a barrel blank already :) and a few enfield sporters kicking around.

actually I should dig out that EAL that someone buggered up drilling it for scope bases but managed to drill through the receiver and barrel into the chamber....
 
44Mag is indeed a good candidate.
Rim diameter would make extraction and ejection not TOO difficult (maybe that a modified extractor would be needed however).
What magazine do you intend to use ? Does the width of that magazine allow it to fit in the trigger guard ?
 
have not found a good magazine candidate yet. Bid on a few DE mags that were at the last auction but they went way higher then I wanted to spend.

I think there was a remmington 788 ?? that was chambered in 44 Mag and Numerich had mags listed for that, 3 round mags.

I might just look at making a single stack blind mag of some sort myself
 
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