lee enfield no1 mk3 help

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hi all

i'm useless at researching things. but i'd love some help figuring out what i have bought. from my uselessness, i think i have a no1 mk3 sporter.

i'd love to post pics but, of course i dont know how.

can anybody help me out? please?

thank you in advance;)
 
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Turn on a bright light, flip the Bolt Handle UP and read what you find there.

There will be a Marking there which tells you precisely what it was when it started out. This Marking will be in several lines.

At the TOP, a Crown with a couple of letters beneath it: VR or ER or GR. These together comprise the Royal Signet of the reigning Monarch, who was the actual OWNER of the rifle. VR signifies Queen Victoria (1837 - 1901), ER her son, King Edward VII (Edward the Peacemaker, reigned 1901 - 1910, rifles markd 1902 through 1910), GR signifies HIS son and grandson, both Georges: George V (reigned 1910 - 1936) and Georg VI (reigned 1936 - 1952. Edward VIII did reign between the two Georges, but I have never seen a British rifle with his Signet, although a (very) few were made in India.

Below that will be the place of manufacture, generally ENFIELD, BSA or LSA: the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock, about 15 miles North of London, the Birmingham Small Arms Company or the London Small Arms Company, which made very few rifles. Rifles made in India will be marked ISHAPORE, rifles from Australia will be marked LITHGOW.

Below that will be the DATE of manufacture. I own rifles marked between 1896 and 1949 and I have rifles from ALL SEVEN manufacturers, so there is a good variety to be found.

Below that is the precise TYPE and MODEL of your rifle. Often this is abbreviated as "Sht LE III*" (the most common type): the SHORT MAGAZINE LEE-ENFIELD rifle, MARK THREE STAR, which was produced from 1916 into the 1960s, depending on where you were.

And that is the whole tale. There ARE a few anomalies which don't fit in here: test rifles, experimentals, the rifles made by Standard Small Arms and the National Rifle Factory (both marked with weird-looking Crowns but the manufacturer's name abbreviated SSA or NRF on the Receiver, just to the left of the back end of the bolt raceway..... and there were WW2 coded emergency-built rifles and Indian post-Independence rifles also.... and Conversions: whole telephone-book full of Conversions.

There is a STICKY on th first page of the Index to this Forum, giving quite complete instructions for the posting of your photographs. Put some up and let's see what you have!

Hope this helps.
 
You are STUCK with the old girl now, friend!

Thing to do is read up all you can on this exact rifle and start going to gun shows. It might take time but you WILL find the right parts and you can start planning to restore this rifle.

London Small Arms made only ONE rifle out of 20 which were made in England during World War I. They made NO rifles during World War 2.

ANY LSA is a scarce item and worth looking after.

As a Mark III (and not a Mark III*) it should have the slot for the Magazine Cut-off. The Cut-off and its Screw likely should be the first parts you look for.

Post some photos so we can see what she's like. LOT of people on here who KNOW these rifles; any of them will be happy to help.

Welcome to The Club; it took me 20 years to find a decent LSA!
 
London Small Arms is interesting; it is the factory which didn't exist.

They had a small assembly shop, yes, but it didn't make rifles or parts; it assembled parts which were made by all the famous London "Best" gun makers: Rigby, Holland and Holland, Gibbs and all the rest. Each gunmaker had their Apprentices working away at making parts for Government guns on contract. When the parts were finished, they went to LSA and were assembled into rifles. When the Apprentices could make good parts for the Government guns, THEN they were allowed to work on a NAME gun! Weird system, but it worked.

They DID have one of the SIX sets of original Gauges for the SMLE rifle, but the gauges were spread out among the whole London "Trade".

Pop over to milsurps dot com, take out a (free) membership and download a copy of "The Lee-Enfield Rifle" by Major E.G.B. Reynolds; this is the ONLY place in the world where you can download a LEGAL copy of this rare 1960 book. The same site has a wonderful, staggering amount of information in their "Military Knowledge Library" and it is all free for download, free for use. They have some of the top people in the World on that site; you might recognise a few names from here.

Good luck!
 
Thanks smellie!

The gun is complete and in incredible shape. I shot it today. It's missing whatever it was that came in the compartment in the brass butt plate. I will try to get pictures up. There are at least 20 markings/stamps in various locations on the gun.

I'm pretty happy with it ;)
 
Thanks smellie!

The gun is complete and in incredible shape. I shot it today. It's missing whatever it was that came in the compartment in the brass butt plate. I will try to get pictures up. There are at least 20 markings/stamps in various locations on the gun.

I'm pretty happy with it ;)

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i hope those pictures worked. its funny. i can program all sorts of cnc mills and lathes and i deal with computer code all day long. but i don't seem to be having any luck whatsoever with this page. one day i'll figure it out...i hope!
 
if those pictures didn't work this time i'm done trying. haha. joined flikr. dropbox, and finally photobucket. somebody please let me know, i have the permissions allowed on my computer so i can see them but peeps tell me they can t see them.
 
You should set your photobucket account to "private". As it stands, whatever photos you add to your account will be visible to anyone who clicks on your pictures. Look under your username, under "settings".
 
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