lee powder through dies with hornady powder measure

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im thinking of getting a LnL press and want carbide dies. lee dies are what I decided on. will the included powder measure fit the lee powder through die incuded in their 4 die sets.
 
The powder measure that comes in the LNL kit is case operated and won't work with the Lee flare powder thru dies. The carbide in the dies are a small ring of carbide at the base of the dies (not the entire die) and only on the sizing die and factory crimp dies. The Lee flare die with powder thru isn't a carbide die anyway.

You can buy a Hornday powder-through expander bushing (comes in two sizes) for the powder measure so you can flare and drop powder at the same time. There's a guy in the US that sells a universal expander bushing for $50. and it works a lot better. There are 5 stations on that LNL press, I just use the flare die in my die kit.
 
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I still don't see the need for purchasing another powder measure just so that you can use the powder thru feature of that Lee die.

How are you planning on loading the five stations?

1- Sizing die
2- Flare die
3- Powder drop
4- Bullet seating die
5- Factory crimp die

Did you want to use a powder cop die in there as well? If so, then all you need to do is pickup the Hornady expander bushing for the powder measure and get rid of the Lee expander die. Now the powder measure that came with your LNL AP kit will do the same job as your Lee die and Lee powder measure for just a $11. part.

Well if you decide to sell the Hornady powder measure assembly that comes with your kit, send me a PM. I could use another for quick changes.
 
Also you will find that the Lee dies are a bit short for the L-N-L AP press. They will work but you need to turn the locking nut upside down so that the rubber O ring is facing up. Also in your initial post you didn't say if you were getting the L-N-L Classic or the L-N-L AP it will have a bearing on what you want to do with regards to the powder through die. Like other have said no need for a power through die with the AP but may be useful on the classic.
 
I still don't see the need for purchasing another powder measure just so that you can use the powder thru feature of that Lee die.

How are you planning on loading the five stations?

1- Sizing die
2- Flare die
3- Powder drop
4- Bullet seating die
5- Factory crimp die

Did you want to use a powder cop die in there as well? If so, then all you need to do is pickup the Hornady expander bushing for the powder measure and get rid of the Lee expander die. Now the powder measure that came with your LNL AP kit will do the same job as your Lee die and Lee powder measure for just a $11. part.

Well if you decide to sell the Hornady powder measure assembly that comes with your kit, send me a PM. I could use another for quick changes.

This is what I had planned.

1- Size/deprime
2- Flare/powder drop
3- Leave open for future bullet feeder
4- bullet seat
5- crimp

So to solve my problem, I'm going to get all hornady dies and PTX bushings for my caliber. The Hornady dies sound like they function the same as carbide with the added benefit of fitting the pres better. Sound good to you punks?
 
Ok, to clarify one thing, when they say "carbide" dies, they are only referring to either the sizing die or the factory crimp die and NOT the flaring die.

The dies themselves are made of steel. The ONLY thing carbide is that small ring at the base of the sizing die or factory crimp die. There is NO carbide on the flaring die. It is just steel and aluminum.

There is no need to have expensive carbide on the flaring die as it does not do any kind of sizing when used. It is designed to hold the case slightly loose, yet somewhat centered in the die, while it flares the case mouth open. If it did any kind of sizing, it would end up removing the flare from the case when you extract it from the die, thus defeating its purpose.

The pic below shows a steel die on the left and a carbide die on the right. Both dies are made of the same steel except for that tiny inner ring on the die on the right. Check your flaring die, you will NOT see a carbide ring on it. There is no benefit to using the Lee flaring die that you can't already do with a LNL AP kit.

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I'm not trying to be an arse, just trying to save you some money.

I'br got LEE and RCBS dies in my LNL AP. Lee dies do sit pretty low in the press but they do work fine. If you already own dies, try first before buying new ones.
 
Ok, to clarify one thing, when they say "carbide" dies, they are only referring to either the sizing die or the factory crimp die and NOT the flaring die.

The dies themselves are made of steel. The ONLY thing carbide is that small ring at the base of the sizing die or factory crimp die. There is NO carbide on the flaring die. It is just steel and aluminum.

There is no need to have expensive carbide on the flaring die as it does not do any kind of sizing when used. It is designed to hold the case slightly loose, yet somewhat centered in the die, while it flares the case mouth open. If it did any kind of sizing, it would end up removing the flare from the case when you extract it from the die, thus defeating its purpose.

The pic below shows a steel die on the left and a carbide die on the right. Both dies are made of the same steel except for that tiny inner ring on the die on the right. Check your flaring die, you will NOT see a carbide ring on it. There is no benefit to using the Lee flaring die that you can't already do with a LNL AP kit.

I'm not trying to be an arse, just trying to save you some money.

I'br got LEE and RCBS dies in my LNL AP. Lee dies do sit pretty low in the press but they do work fine. If you already own dies, try first before buying new ones.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify the carbide thing. I did allready know that however... sorry. The reason I wanted to use the lee powder through die is because I didn't realize the PTX bushings existed. I think they solved all my problems. I do not have dies all ready so I'll just go Hornady because the only reason I was set on carbide was to save on having to lube.

The thing is Henry doesn't have Hornady dies listed. I was going to order from him but perhaps I'll have to look else where, shipping from coast to coast might not be cheap either.
 
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No probs.

Before you buy the PTX expander kit, have a look at the Powderfunnel Universal Expander bushing for the Hornday powder meter. The problem with the PTX ones is that they flare them out but more vertically than conical and as a result, puts more wear on your cases. With the universal expander, all you need to do is adjust the Expander linkage (included in the press kit) to whichever pistol caliber you are reloading. Use your calipers to measure the linkage distance between the adjustment nuts and you're ready fo future quick changes or just pick up more linkages for each caliber and leave them preset.

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You can get by with the PTX expander BUT if you you are going to get the bullet feeder dies, they come with a PTX expander so you won't have to buy the PTX kit.

You can always order from Brownells. :)

Reviewed briefly on Ultimatereloader.

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Thanks everyone for helping me sort this out! That universal expander looks so simple, as a machinist I can't help but think of how easy it would be to make one for free. That's the worst thing about this profession, I want to make everything I see haha.

P.S. I'll checkout brownells ;)

Edit: Brownell's is american only? Wont I get slaughtered on duities?
 
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Thanks everyone for helping me sort this out! That universal expander looks so simple, as a machinist I can't help but think of how easy it would be to make one for free. That's the worst thing about this profession, I want to make everything I see haha.

P.S. I'll checkout brownells ;)

Edit: Brownell's is american only? Wont I get slaughtered on duities?

LOL, if you have access to a lathe, I can measure the one I got for ya.

Brownells exports to Canada no probs. Zero issues with reloading equipment (NOT components). Ship via International First Class NOT UPS. You will get dinged with taxes plus $10. Canada Post handling fee. Under $100. and shipping will be about $11. and delivery will take around 10 business days. Over $100. and shipping might jump up to $35. and 7 business days... well unless Canada Customs are slow to release it.
 
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