legal dewatts?

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Thinking on getting an older dewatt ar or ak what to look for as to the difference in a dewwat done recently? Plugged barrels ,drilled barrels and #### and click and the mag's? Pined, ears cut off? Then the re welds and parts kits , papers certificate of legality? Want to do this right don't want any headaches. Got offered and older ak dewwat on trade. Its got blondis wood and may have been cut at the mag well welded barrel. I have read that the newer dewatts aren't #### and click ,welded solid? What's legal, what's not. Thanks for any info!
 
There is no legal standard, apart from the thing cannot be readily restorable to use.
If a registered firearm is to be deleted from the registry, it has to be altered according to the flavour of the month guidelines.
An older dewat will probably be #### and click, some disassembly will be possible; the magazine would need to be blocked at 5 rounds.
A current dewat might have some moving parts, but is basically a lump.
"Certificate of legality"? No idea what that is.
 
No papers.

Before C68, pretty much no rules other than common sense. I help dewat a bunch of AK 47's in Central America that came back to Canada as luggage. All #### and click. None that could be reactivated for less work than scratch-building one. Great souvenirs!

Now, it has to be imported as if it is live, which really limits the number of guys that will be able to handle it, then it has to be deactivated to the guidelines decided upon by the RCMP Tech branch, or it stays registered as whatever class of firearm it was before the first outfit dewatted it. Then it has to be welded into an inert lump. You get to pay for deactivating it twice. Fun huh?
Stupid as fook, but you would be in as much trouble for making a plaster cast of a dewat, and using that to make fiberglass solid replicas (Repeat after me..."Replica's is bad mmmKay!") as you would be in for making real guns.

There are no certificates or paperwork for 'not' guns. Just for them up to the point that they became 'not' guns. After they are not a gun, they can still be one, if that does not sound completely screwed up. If someone were to commit a crime, like threatening someone else, or acting like a turd in public with their non-gun, it gets considered to be one and the charges are laid accordingly.

Got a headache yet? Trying to make sense of a bunch of contrary seeming laws will do that.

Cheers
Trev
 
There is a legal standard as I once ask a local firearms officer and was given an information sheet that listed the methods and requirements of dewatting or making a non restricted inoperable, a restricted non restricted or, no longer a operating/functioning firearm. In the case of a restricted or prohibited you would get a transfer from a properly licenced owner to a properly licenced person who does the work/conversion then when done transferred to the local firearms inspector who after accepting the finished job will have it stricken from the registry and also supply an letter stating the said firearm is no longer restricted or prohibited or a functioning firearm. I have these instructions and letter in my records somewhere I hope I understood and answered your question properly.--Thanks--Dieseldog!
 
You are referring to the guidelines. These are guidelines, not law. If you want a registered firearm classified as a dewat, they must be observed; the firearm won't be reclassified otherwise.
 
So had some time to check this ak out. It was torch cut in side rail ,barrel chamber welded( plugged) mag ears cut off. No papers or stamps. Looks like it had a hard previous life. The markings have been defaced, does that make a difference?
 
So had some time to check this ak out. It was torch cut in side rail ,barrel chamber welded( plugged) mag ears cut off. No papers or stamps. Looks like it had a hard previous life. The markings have been defaced, does that make a difference?

Only if it is still registered as a firearm.

Otherwise, you have an ugly paperweight that will only get you in to trouble if you do something stupid with it, like waving it around in public, or threatening someone. At which time you go to jail.

It's not a gun any more.

Let's reiterate. There is a set of GUIDELINES for current dewatting. While they are not LAWS nor are they based on any LAW, the folks that decide whether to let you no longer need a registration certificate on a registered gun, have decided that they will not do so, unless you follow their arbitrary GUIDELINES.

None of this applies, to dewats done before the current system was put in place, because there was never a Legal definition of what needed to be done. Folks did what they felt was reasonable, and it was legal. It is still legal to own a dewat that was done the old way, provided it was done then.

Once it is dewatted, it is not subject to any paperwork, nor are you likely to get any without getting it re-done to meet the current GUIDELINES which are not LAWS, but get treated like they are anyway.

Why would you do that?

The only time paperwork comes in to play under our current system, is if you Dewatted a gun that had been registered, so that you could sell it to someone that for some reason wanted a paperweight that looked like a gun. If the gun was never registered, and it is Dewatted, and you figure it was done before the current system was put in place, it can be bought and sold as if it were what it is, which is not a gun, it's a lump of metal that is shaped like one. Unless the welds are sill warm, how would you be able to tell when it was done?

I was personally involved in #### and Click Dewatts of several AK-47's that were bought in Central America in the late 80's. We made a right mess of the innards, there wasn't any reasonable chance that a fella could make them shoot again with less work than making a new one. They were brought home to Canada, declared at the border, and were allowed in. They are still out there somewhere, and there was never any paperwork for them.

Under the new system, if you wish to import one, you need to import it through someone that has a license for that particular class of firearm, and it gets registered and treated as if it were still a live firearm, by the system, until you get someone willing to sign for it being in compliance with the Guidlines,then they will write you a letter saying you are free and clear. This only applies to importing a dewat.

I have seen a couple old dewats that a grade school kid with a nail file could likely reactivate. A couple tack welds here and there to stick some of the parts together, sort of work. Barely adequate, but legal at the time. But as long as they don't, they are still legal dewats.

Cheers
Trev
 
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I'm not up on all the airsoft options available but for the price of some dewatts and what they do or don't do I'd be tempted to look into a quality replica air soft gun.
 
Something like this Tokyo Marui, All metal and real wood and you can have fun shooting pop cans with it in the basement...:dancingbanana:
$300 or so in the States not sure what they go for up here?

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Ayup.

Notice they say that they strongly suggest you follow these guidelines, when in fact, they will not de-register a firearm that is deactivated, unless you do.

They have managed to make their 'suggestion' mandatory, by policy. There is no Law that says it must be done any particular way, nor does the Firearms Act actually define what is a Dewat and what is not. So it's what we are stuck with until either the laws are changed, or someone with more money than you and I takes them to court over it.

But again, this only is what we are stuck with, with regards to current firearms that are registered, and you wish to Dewat/Deactivate them for whatever purpose, it is not the standard to which all existing Dewats are held to or checked against.

Cheers
Trev
 
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