Legalities of Making a CZH2003S (VZ58S)

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I'm just curious to know what exactly are the legalities on making my own CZH2003S (VZ58-S) from scratch?
I wanna make the entire thing out of stainless, and polishing it to a mirror shine :D
Pimptastic :twisted:
It would be an exact copy of the semi auto carbine.
I would make it semi auto only and it would have a 20"+ barrel I should be ok, right?
I know I need to ask authorization from my CFO, but since they are being imported as restricted and non-restrited I guess it shouldn't be a problem.

I appreciate all info




-sixty9santa


PS: I would only be making one for myself and I have full intentions of doing everything legally including registration and inspection.
 
sixty9santa said:
If I email the CFC, and they reply confirming that it's ok.
Is that still good ???
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It's your jail term... :roll:

I prefer ball-point pen ink on typed paper on CFC letterhead myself.
 
How could this not be legal? People make their own ARs etc. all the time. Or the "BlackBastard" we've been reading about on CGN. I don't see how this is any different.
 
In any event, a CZ receiver is an "iffy" proposition legally. The firearm MIGHT be classed as a converted auto if not done properly, even if made new by you.

Protect yourself now, don't defend yourself later at the expense of every penny you own ;)
 
The new rules do in no way prohibit the discussion of the manufacture of a fully legal (approved, verifyied and registered), semi-auto non-restricted weapons.
So I'll give the CFC a call, and if they agree with the idea of a homemade non-restricted CZH2003S or as they are now known, the CZ858-2 Tactical.
BTW: the rules state illegal activity, how is asking for information on legally fabricating a firearm a violation of the rules on this board?????
As for "doing it properly", it would be an EXACT copy of what is being imported, as I have previously mentionned.
I'm not bashing anyone, but some peeps need to read and understand what is being asked of fellow CGNers.
To all that answered my questions, thank you.
 
sixty9santa said:
The new rules do in no way prohibit the discussion of the manufacture of a fully legal (approved, verifyied and registered), semi-auto non-restricted weapons.
So I'll give the CFC a call, and if they agree with the idea of a homemade non-restricted CZH2003S or as they are now known, the CZ858-2 Tactical.
BTW: the rules state illegal activity, how is asking for information on legally fabricating a firearm a violation of the rules on this board?????
As for "doing it properly", it would be an EXACT copy of what is being imported, as I have previously mentionned.
I'm not bashing anyone, but some peeps need to read and understand what is being asked of fellow CGNers.
To all that answered my questions, thank you.
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I think that the issue is that you are in essence asking for legal advice. You will get all kinds of opinions here, and at least someone may suggest something that is not legal. If you want legal advice you should consult a lawyer. If you want information concerning the Firearms Act you can find the entire act on line at the Canadian Firearms Center.
 
If it is a non restricted to begin with, then yes it's totally fine to build.

Might be cheaper to buy it and have it nickel plated for total pimp.

Oh and cut the guy some slack he is talking about a home built non restricted. no need to sh*t in hios corn flakes, so to speak.

Cheers,

Alex
 
Claven2 said:
In any event, a CZ receiver is an "iffy" proposition legally. The firearm MIGHT be classed as a converted auto if not done properly, even if made new by you.

Protect yourself now, don't defend yourself later at the expense of every penny you own ;)
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I don't see how it is possible for something to be CA is it was never "A" in the first place. This is the whole reason why the VZ is not classed as CA; the receivers were never assembled. A brand new receiver would seem even more ironclad.

If you built it so that it would accept a FA trigger group, that would be illegal, but if you were to follow the dimensions of one of the legally imported guns, I can't see how it could possibly be a problem.
 
give it a try ... then let us know what you found out. I know several people who have 'constructed' AR-15 receivers, most have not ever been given registration certs and those that received one have been told that they can not ever sell / trade it... basically in the simplest words... they take it to the grave. ie. no manufacturing license.
 
If they got a registration certificate, i can't see how or why they would not be able to sell or trade. Must be an Ontarion provical rule ir something... :?
 
jkf said:
Claven2 said:
In any event, a CZ receiver is an "iffy" proposition legally. The firearm MIGHT be classed as a converted auto if not done properly, even if made new by you.

Protect yourself now, don't defend yourself later at the expense of every penny you own ;)
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I don't see how it is possible for something to be CA is it was never "A" in the first place. This is the whole reason why the VZ is not classed as CA; the receivers were never assembled. A brand new receiver would seem even more ironclad.

If you built it so that it would accept a FA trigger group, that would be illegal, but if you were to follow the dimensions of one of the legally imported guns, I can't see how it could possibly be a problem.
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The problem is that in the FRT, you only have two entries - one for a prohib and one for a restricted semi INSPECTED AS SUCH BY THE RCMP at the time of importation.

I think it would be legal to build one, but frankly I would protect myself first. How could you prove to an LEO that you didn't build it first as a prohib and then neuter it? Would you be able to refute that claim when the CFC gunsmiths declare otherwise to a judge? They are not out to help you! They are out to get high profile busts of "evil assault rifle arms caches" and let you spend your life savings trying to prove otherwise, only to have the CFC refuse to renew your PAL when the old one expires because you are now on the "Firearms Persons of Interest" list. Forget that, I say.

Being legal and being charged are two different things entirely. Ask Marstar how much they liked being prosecuted in 1994 despite the crown having no evidence and the judge advising the prosecutors not to proceed. End goal? Put Marstar out of business with legal bills. It would be the same tactic used on YOU. Believe it. Luckily some people have deep enough pockets and big enough desires to win to overcome these Al Caponian tactics emplyed by our Lieberal taskmasters...
 
a) Firearms manufacture (machining/casting/making a piece of metal into a receiver that did not exist as a receiver before) is very different from firearms assembly (adding parts to a stripped receiver, milsurp action, etc. that has existed as and was/is registered as a firearm). We often use the terms interchangeably informally but there is a big difference in legal terms.

b) Talk is cheap. No matter what anyone might say verbally or even in email, whenever treading into uncertain waters especially where federal law is concerned get it in writing BEFORE proceeding.

Hope this helps,

- Peter
 
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