Legallity of a Henry AR-7

[D-BOMB]

Just a quick (probly dumb) question,

In regards to the overall lenght of a semi-auto rifle are they considered only when the rifle is fully assembled? I ask because I would like a Henry U.S survival rifle, but I am wondering if its okay to hike with it in a back back or have it in a vehicle trunk.

Any input would be appreciated.

 

[gregc]

i've had several which have been registered without any issue in the past. don't see that there would be any issue when hiking as i carry mine where it is legal to do so and also use it as a kayaking gun. can't see a problem if it is carried in trunk as per existing regs. am certain others will provide you with further direction. the only 'dumb' question is the question that isn't asked.

kind regards

 

[Dakk]

Basically if it doesn't fit the desciption for restricted or prohibited, then its non-restricted. The only point I see that might be relevant is this inclusion for restricted firearms: "a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise". It obviously isn't designed to be fired until fully assembled, so the only possible issue I would see is if someone 'adapted' it to be fired while disassembled. As long as you don't do that, there should be no issue.

 

[D-BOMB]

I guess my question kind of pertains to carrying it hiking or something, I was wondering if it was a "concealed weapon" but I guess it isn't anymore than a cased rifle is.

 

[catsledman]

They are registered as NR. I bought mine a couple of years ago and it was non restricted. Also if it's broken down and you carry it then its just parts you are carrying until you assemble it.

 

[Dakk]

I guess my question kind of pertains to carrying it hiking or something, I was wondering if it was a "concealed weapon" but I guess it isn't anymore than a cased rifle is.

Well, actually if it were fully assembled, you'd need to have it in something that resembles a rifle case, or have it marked as being a rifle case. Broken down though, I think you're probably fine to have it in a backpack. Just make sure its unloaded and that you aren't breaking any provinical or municipal rules.

 

[sulisa]

You want to see something that looks illegal or concealed, check out the Rossi Ranch Hand Mares Legs - they're rifles, but only 24" long! (and on my shopping list, as a backwoods camping rifle)

 

[D-BOMB]

Did they mess up when classifing it?

 

[Rocket Surgery]

It's a disassembled gun that meets the NR criteria. It's like having a gun in a case, which I don't think is illegal but is probably if the cops search your ****

 

[Dakk]

Did they mess up when classifing it?

If you're referring to the afore mentioned mare's Leg.... no. It's not a rifle. They are considered lever action pistols/hanguns by the manufacturer. The RCMP consider them non-restricted because lever action implies two handed use. The Henry Mare's Leg is the same... non-restricted lever action pistol; not treated as a handgun by our laws because they aren't designed to be operated with one hand.

The criminal code defines a handgun thusly:

“handgun” means a firearm that is designed, altered or intended to be aimed and fired by the action of one hand, whether or not it has been redesigned or subsequently altered to be aimed and fired by the action of both hands;

Emphasis on its original manufacturer intended, or designed, use.

 

[burnt_servo]

If you're referring to the afore mentioned mare's Leg.... no. It's not a rifle. They are considered lever action pistols/hanguns by the manufacturer. The RCMP consider them non-restricted because lever action implies two handed use. The Henry Mare's Leg is the same... non-restricted lever action pistol; not treated as a handgun by our laws because they aren't designed to be operated with one hand.

The criminal code defines a handgun thusly:



Emphasis on its original manufacturer intended, or designed, use.

actually it is the american gun laws that classify it as a hand gun , in the states ...... not the manufacturer

in canada it is nonrestricted rifle .

it is built on a rifle action .

if you look at the rifles built by rossi on a revolving handgun action , guess what , ...... they happen to be classed as a restricted even though they are longer than 26 inches

 

[Dakk]

it is built on a rifle action .
if you look at the rifles built by rossi on a revolving handgun action , guess what , ...... they happen to be classed as a restricted even though they are longer than 26 inches

It has nothing to do with the 'lever action' being considered a 'rifle action'. It has everything to do with how many hands are needed to operate the action.

You're talking about the Rossi 'Circuit Judge' pistolgrip revolvers? Rossi doesn't even call them rifles. They are restricted in Canada because being a 'handgun' has nothing to do with length. Under Canadian law, if its designed to be operated with one hand, which a revolver is, then its a hangun. If its a handgun and not prohibited... then its restricted by default. The fact that a firearm may have a rifle-like stock, or rifle-like length, is irirrelevant to its being legally defined as a handgun or rifle. The fact that the action can be operated with one hand is completely relevant. Same is true in disqualifying the Mare's Leg as a handgun.

The manufacturer's intent is also completely relevant, as Canadian law says it is. Note the use of the words 'designed' and 'intended' in the law. So, again I point you to the precise definition of a handgun under Canadian law:

“handgun”

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“handgun” means a firearm that is designed, altered or intended to be aimed and fired by the action of one hand, whether or not it has been redesigned or subsequently altered to be aimed and fired by the action of both hands;