Letter to the NDP - let them hear our voices!

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I am unhappy that the NDP policy book st#ates that the NDP party want to ban hand#guns. As a sports shooter that affects #my lifestyle and my property rights.

If a Party proposed to repeal ### marria#ge, Canadians would be horrified, becaus#e a minority of Canadians will have thei#r rights stripped from them. And yet th#e NDP promises that they will steal my p#roperty if they get elected. The NDP is# saying that we law-abiding sports shoot#ers are their enemy worthy of deliberate#ly singling out in policy.

Many people who are anti-gun keep forget#ting that Canadian licensed gun owners a#re the safest demographic in Canada. We# are certified as outstanding citizens b#y the RCMP - the same body that gives gu#ns to policemen and allow them to walk i#n public with a firearm. If the NDP rea#lly believes that we licensed gun owners# are somehow less safe than policemen, t#hen please make the provisions for gun o#wnership as stringent (within reason) as# police tests; but having done so - plea#se treat us with the respect that we des#erve: that we are outstanding citizens a#nd do not deserve to be treated like the# NDP's enemy.
 
Your attempt at arguing reason with the NDP is pointless; if they were rational, we wouldn't need to have a conversation about this. All these facts are already known. Jumping up and down with frustration about why they don't "get it" is useless: they don't get it because they don't want to be rational. And so, it's again pointless.

Just point out to them that their policy goes against the Charter of Rights and call them elitists for trying to oppress the very tax payers who form the backbone of this great country. Fight emotion with emotion.
 
Melnibonean said:
Your attempt at arguing reason with the NDP is pointless; if they were rational, we wouldn't need to have a conversation about this. All these facts are already known. Jumping up and down with frustration about why they don't "get it" is useless: they don't get it because they don't want to be rational. And so, it's again pointless.

Just point out to them that their policy goes against the Charter of Rights and call them elitists for trying to oppress the very tax payers who form the backbone of this great country. Fight emotion with emotion.
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Allow me to paraphrase for clarity - it won't work, because they don't give a _ --K about you, or your vote, or your opinion, or your rights, they only care about redistributing your wealth to people who refuse to generate their own.
 
feel free to write up your own letter to the NDP. let them hear our voices otherwise all they will hear are the voices of antis
 
They dont care, they are not listening. Save your breath for something useful, blowing on hot soup for instance.

They gain more votes by their anti policy than they lose by disaffecting us. When and if guns become more mainstream and popular then there would be a chance this policy would change. However, they see gun owners as being well off, white middle aged men. Hardly the demographic that Angry Tom sees needing to be saved.
 
that kind of defeatist attitude is what cost Australian and British gun owners their rights. Fight till your last breath instead of doing nothing.

If writing letters is not the best solution, then let's work together to come up with better solutions instead of not trying at all.

That's the difference between ###s and gun owners. the ###s started with nothing and ended up with everything because they never gave up and gun owners started with everything and will end up with nothing because they complain about what won't work instead of working together without giving up.
 
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Many of us sent letters to ALL MPs during the swiss arms/cz thing. I never got any replies from dippers.

The NDP sees the citizens of this country as irrational children who need to be coddled and presided over from the cradle to the grave. Government will solve all of your problems, all of your squabbles, and take away your toys that they deem to be unconstructive the the rearing and re-training of good little drones.

That's not defeatism - that's bald faced cynicism in the face of the reality of unchecked socialism and its agenda to make every one of us the same.

With the exception of they themselves, of course.
 
quorum said:
I am unhappy that the NDP policy book st#ates that the NDP party want to ban hand#guns. As a sports shooter that affects #my lifestyle and my property rights.

If a Party proposed to repeal ### marria#ge, Canadians would be horrified, becaus#e a minority of Canadians will have thei#r rights stripped from them. And yet th#e NDP promises that they will steal my p#roperty if they get elected. The NDP is# saying that we law-abiding sports shoot#ers are their enemy worthy of deliberate#ly singling out in policy.

Many people who are anti-gun keep forget#ting that Canadian licensed gun owners a#re the safest demographic in Canada. We# are certified as outstanding citizens b#y the RCMP - the same body that gives gu#ns to policemen and allow them to walk i#n public with a firearm. If the NDP rea#lly believes that we licensed gun owners# are somehow less safe than policemen, t#hen please make the provisions for gun o#wnership as stringent (within reason) as# police tests; but having done so - plea#se treat us with the respect that we des#erve: that we are outstanding citizens a#nd do not deserve to be treated like the# NDP's enemy.
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Thanks for emailing the NDP and telling them that as a gun owner you are happy with more gun control.

Next up in Question Period, The honorable Thomas Mulcair: "Mr Speaker, the NDP routinely hear from gun owning Canadians who tell us that they are in favour of increasing gun control and restrictions on gun owners...."

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They dont care, they are not listening. Save your breath for something useful, blowing on hot soup for instance.

They gain more votes by their anti policy than they lose by disaffecting us. When and if guns become more mainstream and popular then there would be a chance this policy would change. However, they see gun owners as being well off, white middle aged men. Hardly the demographic that Angry Tom sees needing to be saved.
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Actually, they probably are. The die hard anti gun activists are few in number, probably far fewer then gun rights activists. The fence sitters have probably anti- gun leanings, but ultimately don't really care and will eat whatever BS propaganda the government shovels their way. If Tom Mulcair got up and said CCW will help reduce victimization by enabling would-be victims and marginal members of society like the elderly, women, disabled, etc. to better protect themselves, most of the sheeple will shrug and be just fine with it.

The fact that NDP party policy is so under developed in this area means now is the time to try to influence it for the better. Incumbent fatigue is running high, and gun owners are no strangers to that experience. IF the NDP can woo a couple hundred thousand voters away from the conservative base by at least not promising to do any damage to gun owners, you better believe he is going to be listening.

For the record, I would never ever ever vote or give money to the NDP, but as far as I am concerned I am happy to discuss firearms laws with any political party that half way claims to represent the Canadian Public.
 
let's work together to get a better message across. we need to collaborate better. we are on the verge of losing our rights and the community is asleep on the issue instead of fighting with everything we have.
 
If you want to change the party, you have to take the party over.

Joe public bleating like a sheep regarding issues that they have the opposite world view of is right up their alley.

The NFA booklet "party time" laid out the overview of joining the riding associations and becoming a riding director and then moving up into the party.
 
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And this is how the NDP want us, fighting with each other so we wont be a threat to there version of democracy (lennon, stalon)

how about instead of saying how this cant work, just wish the op good luck and offer support if needed. As of right now i just see one person making a suggestion, and 5 individuals explaining how they dont agree with with it and refuse to help. And yes the word individuals is the word to best describe a large group of gun owners these days
 
Lee Enfield said:
If you want to change the party, you have to take the party over.

Joe public bleating like a sheep regarding issues that they have the opposite world view of is right up their alley.

The NFA booklet "party time" laid out the overview of joining the riding associations and becoming a riding director and then moving up into the party.
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There are many delusional ndp supporters that trumpet the "social democratic" roots of the party and boast about its track records with supporting various civil liberty causes. All you have to do is paint gun ownership as the civil liberty issue that it is and you should get some attention.
 
Sent this one a while back, but it's still a goodie lol.

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Cameron SS said:
There are many delusional ndp supporters that trumpet the "social democratic" roots of the party and boast about its track records with supporting various civil liberty causes. All you have to do is paint gun ownership as the civil liberty issue that it is and you should get some attention.
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Yes! this is a a civil liberty issue! If there is a better way to get through to the NDP using their language let someone suggest it so we can all work together on this.
 
abbadon said:
And this is how the NDP want us, fighting with each other so we wont be a threat to there version of democracy (lennon, stalon)

how about instead of saying how this cant work, just wish the op good luck and offer support if needed. As of right now i just see one person making a suggestion, and 5 individuals explaining how they dont agree with with it and refuse to help. And yes the word individuals is the word to best describe a large group of gun owners these days
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This is it exactly, Be part of the solution and not part of the problem.

Graydog
 
quorum said:
I am unhappy that the NDP policy book st#ates that the NDP party want to ban hand#guns. As a sports shooter that affects #my lifestyle and my property rights.

If a Party proposed to repeal ### marria#ge, Canadians would be horrified, becaus#e a minority of Canadians will have thei#r rights stripped from them. And yet th#e NDP promises that they will steal my p#roperty if they get elected. The NDP is# saying that we law-abiding sports shoot#ers are their enemy worthy of deliberate#ly singling out in policy.

Many people who are anti-gun keep forget#ting that Canadian licensed gun owners a#re the safest demographic in Canada. We# are certified as outstanding citizens b#y the RCMP - the same body that gives gu#ns to policemen and allow them to walk i#n public with a firearm. If the NDP rea#lly believes that we licensed gun owners# are somehow less safe than policemen, t#hen please make the provisions for gun o#wnership as stringent (within reason) as# police tests; but having done so - plea#se treat us with the respect that we des#erve: that we are outstanding citizens a#nd do not deserve to be treated like the# NDP's enemy.
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Thanks for the heads up.

Knottybuoy said:
Sent this one a while back, but it's still a goodie lol.
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While no doubt well intentioned, not sure that rhetoric will have the affect you hope it will, and is more likely to perpetuate stereotypes.
 
While I admire you wanting to make your point known to the NDP...

they simply don't care about gun ownerships because they know what's good for you and you don't... virtually all socialist agendas subscribe to government social engineering or as we all know it, the Nanny State. From the cradle to the grave they want to design your life for you so you won't hurt yourself or anyone else and you never have to grow up and be responsible. They want to treat us like children who need to be guided, chastised and spanked when we are bad...

Oh and FYI we actually don't have property rights in Canada its not in our constitution.... thank PE Trudeau for that one
 
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