Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10x40mm m1 knockoff
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Be warned guys, it would seem that there is more than one manufacturer of these clones making them with subtle variations. The one I have does not have the adjustment ring at the eyepiece to focus the reticle and the objective bell does not want to rotate off using as much force as I can apply by hand. Anything more would cause damage, so I'm now corresponding with the seller to get it changed. The picture on his site shows the scope with an adjustment ring on the eyepiece. I will keep you guys updated on the outcome. Despite this problem, I am impressed with the 'feel' and the finish of the scope and the optics seem pretty clear. Of course, I have not mounted it so this is not really a valid judgement but initial impressions are good.
Thanks, I did understand that but in this case, nothing moves at all!! The guy is happy to replace it but does not understand, as yet, why. I have sent him photo's of mine and his advertised one to show the difference. Hopefully he will understand when he gets those
damadama said:Thanks, I did understand that but in this case, nothing moves at all!! The guy is happy to replace it but does not understand, as yet, why. I have sent him photo's of mine and his advertised one to show the difference. Hopefully he will understand when he gets those
Who are you dealing with so we know what to look out for?
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my supplier has checked his stock and discovered that there are two models of this scope each with a different eye piece so he is sending me one with the adjustment ring free of charge. I have to return the old one to a Toronto address which is not so bad. Apparently the newer model should also adjust but, in my case, the adjustment ring is too tight and will not turn without a lot of force.
I have to say that this guy has been great to deal with and I would not hesitate to use him again, and his prices are good. My scope came in 6 days airmail and no customs charges so the total was $100.20 Canadian. His online store is at http://stores.ebay.ca/TradingExpert
my supplier has checked his stock and discovered that there are two models of this scope each with a different eye piece so he is sending me one with the adjustment ring free of charge. I have to return the old one to a Toronto address which is not so bad. Apparently the newer model should also adjust but, in my case, the adjustment ring is too tight and will not turn without a lot of force.
I have to say that this guy has been great to deal with and I would not hesitate to use him again, and his prices are good. My scope came in 6 days airmail and no customs charges so the total was $100.20 Canadian. His online store is at http://stores.ebay.ca/TradingExpert
Are some of these copies 1/2 min clicks and some 1/4? (Windage)I see them advertised this way. Also some with side focus. Most N/A scopes have 1/4 min adj. Is 1/2 enough?I am thinking of trying to sight a rifle at 300 yd. and the poi moves 1.5 inches/click. Or is this not a problem? Thanks,Mark
Thanks anyway bud, but I'll make up my own mind as to what's junk or not. I asked a specific question about function. At present I have at least a dozen Leupold scopes as well as some cheaper Bushnel 4200's and and a Nightforce. I'm not sure that I need a $1000 scope on a 223 gopher shooter. Mark
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Ducimus, the 30mm rings, very high, see through are pretty flimsy. Really cheesy for any scope, even a gopher gitter. Save the rings for a laser or a flashlight or some accessory for paintball / Airsoft. At least nothing serious.
358,
I'm with you. I've got a knockoff Leupold M1 on my .223 Rem M700 BDL groundhog killer. We just returned from Quebec where I got in 1.5 days of hunting earth pigs. Got 35 of them. Some were 25 yards shots and many were over 200 to 300 steps away. A very confident scope especially for a groundhog killer and under $ 100 landed.
And yes, I do own 2 other Leupolds, both Mark 4 M1 LR/T versions used for serious competition only. On a varmint gitter rifle, these scopes do the job.
Cheers,
Barney
358,
I'm with you. I've got a knockoff Leupold M1 on my .223 Rem M700 BDL groundhog killer. We just returned from Quebec where I got in 1.5 days of hunting earth pigs. Got 35 of them. Some were 25 yards shots and many were over 200 to 300 steps away. A very confident scope especially for a groundhog killer and under $ 100 landed.
And yes, I do own 2 other Leupolds, both Mark 4 M1 LR/T versions used for serious competition only. On a varmint gitter rifle, these scopes do the job.
Cheers,
Barney
Really you are paying for the much higher wages and manufacturing costs in the US and the reputation and development. As long as the lensgrinding is as or close to the original why pay some american 1000$ for somthing a chinaman can do the same for a 100$? Unless you are a brand snob.
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Hungry said:
You also won't cry too much if it accidentally gets smashed up.
Forget about comparing them to the real MacCoy because that's not a fair comparison. What you should ask yourself is how do they chalk up against other very in-expensive scopes like Leaper's, entry line Bushnells, and cheap Tasco's because they're all in the same relative price bracket.
Hey, for $100 landed, why gives a #### if they break? I mean really? If they're more feature laden and have better optics than comparably priced scopes, how could you possibly go wrong?
FWIW, I just threw out a Tasco "No-Class" because I broke it yet again. No point getting upset over something I didn't expect to last in the first place.
I'll be buying a few of these in the future to equipp some rifles I have that are in desparate need of optics.
With all the stories of different manufactures and sellers of these scopes, can anyone point me to an e-bay seller who they're dealt with directly and have had a positive buying experience?
Also, I've read several reports about the Indonesian manufactured version is far superior to the Chinese or Hong Kong makers? Anyone, with direct personal knowledge of this?
Hey, for $100 landed, why gives a #### if they break? I mean really? If they're more feature laden and have better optics than comparably priced scopes, how could you possibly go wrong?
FWIW, I just threw out a Tasco "No-Class" because I broke it yet again. No point getting upset over something I didn't expect to last in the first place.
I'll be buying a few of these in the future to equipp some rifles I have that are in desparate need of optics.
With all the stories of different manufactures and sellers of these scopes, can anyone point me to an e-bay seller who they're dealt with directly and have had a positive buying experience?
Also, I've read several reports about the Indonesian manufactured version is far superior to the Chinese or Hong Kong makers? Anyone, with direct personal knowledge of this?
I have one of these scopes, and there's no doubt you get a LOT more than you pay for. If this scope was made in the States, I expect it'd have a $300-400 price tag. Not as good as the real deal, of course, but when you can get a $300 scope for $100, go for it.
The optics aren't great, but they ARE a better than most entry-level scopes out there. It IS noticably better than the Banner-series Bushnells, with a lot more features. Mine's on a 308, and it handles the recoil just fine. The gun it's on is 6.25lbs, and recoils a fair bit - this scope could use a little more eye relief as it comes quite close to my brow under recoil. I wouldn't use it on anything bigger than a 30-06 or there abouts. The windage/elevation adjustments are responsive, and they stay where they're set at. I have noticed that they don't adjust totally at 90* though - move it up 5 MOA, and it'll also shift 1/2 - 1 MOA right. Almost ALL scopes do this to a degree, though. Further, POI stays put regardless of magnification, which is something very few scopes in the sub-500-dollar range do. Regarding the 1/2 and 1 MOA clicks - that's what the original Leupold Mark 3 and Mk 4 scopes have, so that's what the copies have. For police tactical applications, 1 MOA elevations clicks are preferable as you can get on target faster without counting as many clicks off in your head.
All in all, I'd have zero concerns at all putting these scopes on any rifle I'd put a Banner, Leupold Rifleman or VX-1, or possibly even an elite 3200 on.
The optics aren't great, but they ARE a better than most entry-level scopes out there. It IS noticably better than the Banner-series Bushnells, with a lot more features. Mine's on a 308, and it handles the recoil just fine. The gun it's on is 6.25lbs, and recoils a fair bit - this scope could use a little more eye relief as it comes quite close to my brow under recoil. I wouldn't use it on anything bigger than a 30-06 or there abouts. The windage/elevation adjustments are responsive, and they stay where they're set at. I have noticed that they don't adjust totally at 90* though - move it up 5 MOA, and it'll also shift 1/2 - 1 MOA right. Almost ALL scopes do this to a degree, though. Further, POI stays put regardless of magnification, which is something very few scopes in the sub-500-dollar range do. Regarding the 1/2 and 1 MOA clicks - that's what the original Leupold Mark 3 and Mk 4 scopes have, so that's what the copies have. For police tactical applications, 1 MOA elevations clicks are preferable as you can get on target faster without counting as many clicks off in your head.
All in all, I'd have zero concerns at all putting these scopes on any rifle I'd put a Banner, Leupold Rifleman or VX-1, or possibly even an elite 3200 on.
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