Levergun ladder sights.

StrelokM38

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Hey there,

Picked up a Henry Big Boy steel side gate last week. Loving the gun, hate the sights. I'm going to pick up a nice squared off front post, and I'm hoping to get a ladder style rear on there at some point. I've been digging around for something along these lines:

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These are off of a Rossi R92, would love to pick one up but they seem pretty much impossible to find on their own.

Just curious if anyone has an idea where to pick some up, or know of something similar. I've tried the skinner ladder sight but I'm not a huge fan of them at all.
 
I'm a big fan of this type of sight and have picked up several off the EE over the years. I haven't tried the Skinner version but it looks pretty good too; what is it about them that you dislike?

The feature I like about the ones pictured above is the locking set screw that binds the sight into the barrel dovetail, no hammering required. The sight slips into a standard dovetail with finger pressure, and then tightening the set screw completes the installation. Making windage adjustments is very easy, just loosen the setscrew, move the sight in the direction required with your fingers, and then retighten.

Most of mine have been "improved", at least IMHO, by the addition of a simple washer attached to the face of the elevation bar, turning the sight into an aperture instead of an open notch. Also, some of these sights require a slight bend to be applied downwards on the horizontal base, behind the dovetail. This binds against the top of the barrel and "spring-loads" the ladder when it is folded upwards, keeping it very secure. Otherwise, some of these sights can be a bit floppy on some barrels.

First pic shows the sight in the folded-down, carry-around configuration. Second pic shows it folded upwards, with the poor-man's washer-aperture sight well suited for use with the crosshair front sight insert. The washer is simply attached to the elevation bar with a dab of epoxy. I use a small rat-tail file to enlarge the existing notch in the bar into a round hole that extends down about halfway through the bar, so the aperture/washer has more surface area in contact with the bar.
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Buffalo Arms has selections, but a friend tried the Winchester Re-Pro iirc and it had no detent in the slide or was weak enough to allow movement from recoil
Skinner, Red River and Smith are options, also Taylor And Co may have something
I lucked out and found an old Skinner with lock screw, here on CGN in the EE

for any real precision though you are better off with a tang sight
mho
 
The Skinner sight is well made, but perhaps not too well thought out. It's also a bit too much sight for the caliber that I'm slinging. (Currently have it installed on a .357 rossi 92 octagonal with a 24in barrel)

Was slinging the rounds out to 500 yards with it last fall, but noticed that the sight on the ladder itself has a generous amount of side to side play once you lock the screw down on it. There is also a substantial blind zone in the adjustment at the very bottom of the ladder. Would make more sense with a more potent cartridge perhaps.

I'll check out these sites again and cross my fingers.

Thanks
 
and then tightening the set screw completes the installation.
You have to be very cautious with those screws on some rifles, on a light "small dia. " contoured barrel. When the dovetail is cut , sometimes the steel remaining between the bore center-line and middle of the dovetail cut isnt very thick and n overly ambitious tightening of that screw can dent a bump into the bore channel.
 
The Skinner sight is well made, but perhaps not too well thought out. It's also a bit too much sight for the caliber that I'm slinging. (Currently have it installed on a .357 rossi 92 octagonal with a 24in barrel)

Was slinging the rounds out to 500 yards with it last fall, but noticed that the sight on the ladder itself has a generous amount of side to side play once you lock the screw down on it. There is also a substantial blind zone in the adjustment at the very bottom of the ladder. Would make more sense with a more potent cartridge perhaps.
Are you referring to the side to side wobble of the "ladder" when it is in the raised position? If yes, I find that's a very common problem with this type of sight in general. Applying a very slight downward bend, as mentioned above, will tension the sight and cure this completely.


Buffalo Arms has selections, but a friend tried the Winchester Re-Pro iirc and it had no detent in the slide or was weak enough to allow movement from recoil
Skinner, Red River and Smith are options, also Taylor And Co may have something
I lucked out and found an old Skinner with lock screw, here on CGN in the EE

for any real precision though you are better off with a tang sight
mho
I have also seen a sight like this that had literally no provision for holding the slider in place on the ladder. No detent, no screw, nothing. It was very close to useless; it would require finding the correct position on the slider and carefully marking it, and then "returning it to battery", so to speak, before each shot. Would never buy one like that, but fortunately they don't seem to be common.

The Skinner has a screw lock, which is probably ideal. Easy to experiment with various elevations, allows having multiple range settings easily available. The sights pictured in the OP have a spring-clip that also works well; I've never had one of those become misadjusted by recoil or handling, and they're very quick to change settings in the field if desired, no tools required.

Certainly, these are not the equal of a proper Soule or other tang sight. But they are a huge upgrade from any open sight, they fold down to a much more low-profile, snag-free configuration than any tang sight, and they cost a fraction of the price. They're not for extreme long-range precision, they're a hunting sight pure and simple and they excel at that role.


You have to be very cautious with those screws on some rifles, on a light "small dia. " contoured barrel. When the dovetail is cut , sometimes the steel remaining between the bore center-line and middle of the dovetail cut isnt very thick and n overly ambitious tightening of that screw can dent a bump into the bore channel.
That's a scary thought...but I don't think it's a huge concern if common sense is used when tightening the set screw. All it does is bind the sight into the dovetail to prevent side to side motion. Mine are a friction fit in the dovetail already and require some finger pressure to move. The set screw only needs a couple inch-pounds of torque to lock them down.

In fairness, I've never used one of these sights on any barrel that might be considered small diameter. The barrel pictured above is more the style on which these sights seem appropriate; plenty of steel there. There's likely more steel between the bottom of the dovetail and the bore than many barrels have with no dovetail cut at all.
 
I have a Uberti 1860 with a terrible example of a ladder sight. Maybe it's not the original but I'm surprised that an otherwise well made rifle has such a crummy sight.
Been looking for an upgrade too.
 
You have to be very cautious with those screws on some rifles, on a light "small dia. " contoured barrel. When the dovetail is cut , sometimes the steel remaining between the bore center-line and middle of the dovetail cut isnt very thick and n overly ambitious tightening of that screw can dent a bump into the bore channel.
serious? you witnessed this? a #6 screw is stronger than barrel steel? wow
 
absolutley it could be done with a hardened #6...actually more easily done with a #6 than a larger # 8 or 10...the "6
' would push less area.
Seen it, lump under the dovetail
Huh! Learn something new every day, I guess...

In this case...I think I learned to use common sense when tightening a small set screw that has a very easy job to do, rather than torquing it like it needs to withstand a collision with a bus. That's assuming, of course, that the tiny slot head or tiny blade or tiny Torx bit or fine little threads managed to survive the ordeal without giving up the ghost.

Come to think of it...I, and I suspect most people, knew that already. :)
 
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