Liberal Handgun Ban?

Couldn’t agree more. Problem is the majority of people have no knowledge of guns and have never shot one before, so when the liberals push the scary gun narrative, everyone buys into it. I think one of the best things we can do is to get people completely unfamiliar with guns, our to the range to shoot. Teach them all the basics of safety and handling. And 9 times out of 10 they have such a good time they’re already looking forward to their next trip back! I’ve taken out many first time shooters before and almost all of them have at least softened their views on guns, if not completely changed it.
 
joshbazz said:
Going to have to book the RPAL course in my city...
I'm new to guns, just have a rifle for hunting. What is a good, entry-level handgun to get started with (total noob question)?
I've only shot a desert eagle in Vegas at the Gun Store a few years ago, that kicked more than my 30-06!
Cheers!
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Pick up a .22lr semi. You can get into something like a Browning Buckmark, S&W victory, or Ruger MKIV for not too much (Wolverine has a decent selection of .22lr handguns). They'll shoot well and last you a long time, vs just buying something cheap so you can say you have a pistol. I'd stay away from the .22lr 1911s, they're plagued with issues.

Don't buy a Tokarev. They're terrible pistols to learn on. Lol
 
So is it pretty much that you will no longer be able to buy handguns and be grandfathered to the ones you currently own? Or would it be outright confiscation and theft of property?
 
I certainly hope its the first one. If not I wouldn't want to be the officer walking up my steps telling me to hand over my handguns. I shudder to think what some others would do. It wouldn't be pretty and would not go smoothly.
MBaker said:
So is it pretty much that you will no longer be able to buy handguns and be grandfathered to the ones you currently own? Or would it be outright confiscation and theft of property?
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MBaker said:
So is it pretty much that you will no longer be able to buy handguns and be grandfathered to the ones you currently own? Or would it be outright confiscation and theft of property?
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No one can answer your hypothetical question with an accurate answer, any answer you may get will be either pure B--- S--- or speculation.

Based on past experience when firearms have been prohibited different procedures have been followed, they have included the following:

Prohibited, you have 90 days to sell, export or surrender to the authorities, no grandfathering and no compensation paid. For example the HK SP89 and Pauza 50 cal rifle. I had both!
Prohibited, you have to re-register in the new class and if you do you are "Grandfathered" and can keep them. For example "Converted automatics" I have several, can no longer take to the range and are devalued, no matter what some may tell you.
Prohibited, you have to re-register in the new class and if you do you are "Grandfathered" and can keep them. You can also transfer to close next of kin. For example "prohib hand guns" manufactured before 1946, I have several.
Prohibited, you have 90 days to sell, export or surrender to the authorities, no grandfathering and compensation was paid. No first hand experience, but I believe this did happen to a small number of Benille shotguns.
 
I do not have a restricted license. However i feel for the potential threat to peoples hobbies, investments etc. I also realized everytime you pull a brick from the wall it gets weaker. The liberal's have been pulling bricks from outlr sport and hobby. I am hoping that with their slide in polling, loss of support in the country side, various shifts in provincial politics that they actually table legislation aimed at the criminal. Not the law abiding citizens. However we are an easy target because we sadly abide by the law. Which makes us better people than the ones currently in power
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Based on past experience when firearms have been prohibited different procedures have been followed, they have included the following:

Prohibited, you have 90 days to sell, export or surrender to the authorities, no grandfathering and no compensation paid. For example the HK SP89 and Pauza 50 cal rifle. I had both!
Prohibited, you have to re-register in the new class and if you do you are "Grandfathered" and can keep them. For example "Converted automatics" I have several, can no longer take to the range and are devalued, no matter what some may tell you.
Prohibited, you have to re-register in the new class and if you do you are "Grandfathered" and can keep them. You can also transfer to close next of kin. For example "prohib hand guns" manufactured before 1946, I have several.
Prohibited, you have 90 days to sell, export or surrender to the authorities, no grandfathering and compensation was paid. No first hand experience, but I believe this did happen to a small number of Benille shotguns.
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I agree with your statements. When they decided to reclassify a certain particular type of firearm (ex. Benille shotguns, HK SP89 and Pauza 50), and it seems the numbers out there may be feasible for law enforcement to seize & confiscate, they seem to side with the option of the 90 days to sell, export or surrender, option. But when the numbers out there are so significant and overwhelming for authorities to seize & confiscate, they appear to opt with the "grandfathering" option. For example the cz858, there are so many cz858s out there since they were being sold as far back as 2005, it would be an impossible task. When you think of the numbers of handguns out there, that have been sold over so many years, the "grandfathering" option seems like a more feasible option for authorities. But hopefully, nothing comes of it and everything remains status quo, and bill C71 dies in the last senate reading.
 
zman75 said:
I do not have a restricted license. However i feel for the potential threat to peoples hobbies, investments etc. I also realized everytime you pull a brick from the wall it gets weaker. The liberal's have been pulling bricks from outlr sport and hobby. I am hoping that with their slide in polling, loss of support in the country side, various shifts in provincial politics that they actually table legislation aimed at the criminal. Not the law abiding citizens. However we are an easy target because we sadly abide by the law. Which makes us better people than the ones currently in power
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Go and get your RPAL. You could be stop of getting it if some kind of law are passed, dont chance not having one, same as not having at least one restricted, you could be screw for the rest of your life buying restricteds..

Those are heavy chances to take to save money.
 
The Canadian government, no matter which party controls the house, is an assembly of cowards. Grandfathering will always be the preferred course of action for cost considerations, danger to officers, and legal standing for affected people to sue for compensation. That shouldn't be of solace to anyone - it's just a blanket prohibition plan in generational phases.
 
It's most likely going to be some weird system of central storage, grandfathering, and limits to the amounts of purchases you can make. None of which will keep the criminals from buying off the black market, but an innocent person will be made a criminal because they didn't have his papers in order, that I can assure you.

I've warned my non-political firearms owning friends, donated $1600.00 to gun friendly politicians, and I'm rethinking about joining an advocacy group. I was surprised that all of them got to speak in the Senate. My only question is, which one of them is the least incompetent? I stopped giving them money, but perhaps I should rethink my decision.
 
Well worst case (which I hope NEVER happens), I hope if they do the whole "handgun/assault ban" that crime rates go way way up. I understand that means innocent people will be hurt or killed but it will look good on all those who know F all about Canadian firearm ownership or the history of violence in humans. We all know this will solve nothing, and more then likely decrease safety in our communities. So hopefully it will make them then realize the narrow sighted solution of the situation.

Murder, rape, drugs, theft, racism, etc have all been seen as sins or crimes for millennia, and will continue on for millennia. No amount of additional laws or tree hugging "Sunny-ways" will ever stop it. The gang-bangers and life long criminals will always have access to firearms/weapons and will use them to do their dirty work. Toronto and other major cities will not skip a beat with the violence it has seen grow over the years. I don't know how many times I've read news articles in Canada about someone found with X amount of Drugs/cash and a handgun or rifle and they also have priors and parole violations etc.

All we can do is our best to involve new people who have never shot before to change their views or encourage them to get into the sport/hobby to grow our license holders, join gun clubs and associations and support politicians who have our best interests and understand what ownership means. And most importantly, follow the laws to not give them the chance to say, "I told you so" or "see they don't follow the laws either". Outside of that it's really out of our control. Snap decisions and fear mongering is hard to fight back against sometimes.

2019 is a very important year for Canada and us as a community. For the first in maybe Canada's history there is somewhat of a balance to our political parties. We now have two Left (Liberal) parties and two right (Conservative) parties. Hopefully long gone are the days of 2 v 1 with minority governments and the PPC and CPC will work together like we have seen the NDP and Liberals do in the past. Be informed and get out and vote. Don't listen to the polls from the MSM to trick you and don't let a politician tell you who or who not to vote for because so and so might win instead of them. Vote for someone who shares your views and interest and F'n Make Canada Great Again!

And a BIG thank you to GCN personnel who give us this great site to come on, talk issues, be informed and connect with other great Canadians to enjoy our passion and love for firearms and the skill that is marksmanship. Who knows where we would be without it!
 
MBaker said:
Well worst case (which I hope NEVER happens), I hope if they do the whole "handgun/assault ban" that crime rates go way way up.....
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Honestly, tl;dr

But I can tell you what's going to happen with crime rates under any sort of firearm prohibition: nothing. Any kind of ban will have absolutely no effect on crime rates, because as it is obvious to anybody with an ounce of sense, the guns that are being used in crimes in Canada are not part of the legal gun ownership framework.

What will happen, however, is there will be a very slight (almost immeasurable) dip in suicides by firearm, which the government quilt out as the greatest saving of lives in history. They will take the one or two examples of someone who didn't commit suicide by other means because they didn't have a handgun in the house as proof that gun prohibition save countless lives and is the greatest thing ever.

And speaking of things that should be obvious to anyone with a lick of sense, splitting the conservative vote is a terrible idea right now. If that doesn't make sense to you, look at the historical impact the NDP has had on liberal governments in the past. Bernier's ego and hubris will guarantee another liberal majority. The PCC is the best thing to happen to the Liberal Party since Kim Campbell. Just watch.
 
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Simple solution...bring back the "Death Penalty"...

Any person or persons that commit a crime with a handgun that results in a "Death", will be given the "Death Penalty"...
 
BCreserveMP said:
Honestly, tl;dr

But I can tell you what's going to happen with crime rates under any sort of firearm prohibition: nothing. Any kind of ban will have absolutely no effect on crime rates, because as it is obvious to anybody with an ounce of sense, the guns that are being used in crimes in Canada are not part of the legal gun ownership framework.

What will happen, however, is there will be a very slight (almost immeasurable) dip in suicides by firearm, which the government quilt out as the greatest saving of lives in history. They will take the one or two examples of someone who didn't commit suicide by other means because they didn't have a handgun in the house as proof that gun prohibition save countless lives and is the greatest thing ever.

And speaking of things that should be obvious to anyone with a lick of sense, splitting the conservative vote is a terrible idea right now. If that doesn't make sense to you, look at the historical impact the NDP has had on liberal governments in the past. Bernier's ego and hubris will guarantee another liberal majority. The PCC is the best thing to happen to the Liberal Party since Kim Campbell. Just watch.
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Trust me when I say PPC will not have an impact on the election. Party is too new and membership too small- so small in fact it won’t register a blip on anybodys scale. Maybe a few elections down the line it might be a factor but it has a long long way to go before making a dent. I am hopeful for the PPC but realistic. I doubt they will even get 2 seats. Maybe not even 1. I like Bernier alot and wish him well and its too bad he isnt CPC party leader.
 
Cameron SS said:
Theres a recommendation that will cause a massive increase in handgun crime and cop shootings.
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Well, it's not something we ever have to worry about, because Canada will never bring back capital punishment. However, it's worth considering that it wouldn't have any impact anyway, because nobody ever commits a crime thinking they won't get away with it. There's no difference in Murder statistics between states that have capital punishment in those that do not. Criminals never think they're going to get caught. They don't consider the consequences of their actions.
 
groundskeeper willy said:
Trust me when I say PPC will not have an impact on the election. Party is too new and membership too small- so small in fact it won’t register a blip on anybodys scale. Maybe a few elections down the line it might be a factor but it has a long long way to go before making a dent. I am hopeful for the PPC but realistic. I doubt they will even get 2 seats. Maybe not even 1. I like Bernier alot and wish him well and its too bad he isnt CPC party leader.
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Don't be surprised if you see the PCC getting a lot of positive press in the lead-up to the next election. I understand what you're saying, but I disagree with you. The media is going to play up the PPC is a viable option very specifically so more people will vote for them, therefore splitting the conservative vote.
 
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