Light weight BCG with rifle length gas.

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Good morning,

Just trying to finish of my M|S build, and the last remaining parts are a buffer and spring. I'm looking for a fairly definitive answer, or a yes that'll work, no that wont.

Here's my parts list pertaining to my question.

18.6 .223 Wylde Barrel w/ Rifle length gas system.

NON adjustable gas block.

Brownells Lightweight BCG.

Carbine length buffer tube.

I need to know which weight buffers and springs may or may not work!

Thanks.
 
If you're going with a lightweight bcg, I would recommend an adjustable gas block. TNA have some new obes that won't break the piggy bank. Get a JP captured spring unless you're on a tight budget, or a carbine buffer spring and a H buffer.
 
I am sure you could use a standard gas block....but you shouldn't.
Brownells says in their Q&A that standard spring and buffer can work but I'm sure it'll be slamming back and forth and may cause a lot of wear and/or failure at some point. BCG moving rearward might be ok if it's not smashing the buffer but coming home it's sure gonna come hard and fast. If not using an adjustable gas block you might have to play with springs and buffers. To me it's easier and safer to just use and adjustable block.

"There is nothing recommended, a standard weight buffer will do the job but if cycle speed is an issue a heavier buffer or adjustable gas block will be the next step.
Please call our tech support line at 1(800)741-0015 for the proper selection and additional information. Alternatively, you may also want to contact us via e-mail at tech@brownells.com."
 
Personally I think it will work. An 18" rifle length barrel with regular gas port and gas block is not terribly overgassed, in fact it is the least gassed AR of the 'popular' configurations. Naturally going adjustable is a better option.

If you had asked 'can I go LW BCG with a 16" barrel and a carbine length gas system and regular gas block' I would say don't do it. But I think you'll be OK.
 
You'll most likely be fine. I didn't have to close the gas off much on my adjustable gas block. You could try a stiffer spring or heavier buffer but the cheapest and easiest way is an adjustable gas block.
 
Personally I think it will work. An 18" rifle length barrel with regular gas port and gas block is not terribly overgassed, in fact it is the least gassed AR of the 'popular' configurations. Naturally going adjustable is a better option.

If you had asked 'can I go LW BCG with a 16" barrel and a carbine length gas system and regular gas block' I would say don't do it. But I think you'll be OK.


You'll most likely be fine. I didn't have to close the gas off much on my adjustable gas block. You could try a stiffer spring or heavier buffer but the cheapest and easiest way is an adjustable gas block.


OP, notice that both these guys still suggest the adjustable gas block is the way to go even though they say that an appropriate buffer/spring combination "should" work for you?

I also agree with them that it "should" work. The only thing is how much money are you going to spend trying different springs and/or buffer weight combinations to get the system balanced properly?

Not to mention that lighter bcg's are more sensitive to different types of ammo that will create different pressures. If, for example, you get the system tuned perfectly to a certain 5.56 round you're running and then want to switch to some lighter 223 rounds the system will react and run differently, or not at all. The adjustable gas block will allow you to make a quick and easy adjustment to compensate without the need to change anything else.

The standard spring and buffer that comes with the receiver extension will still work 100% with a lightweight bcg if you have an adjustable gas block.

Plus the adjustable gas block will let you tune the system finer than you'll do with springs and buffers.

My .02c worth says spend the bit of extra money on an adjustable gas block and you won't regret it.

Maybe someone else will chime in here and tell you the exact parts they're using on a system like you're trying to build. But I think you can tell by the number of responses so far that the adjustable gas block just makes more sense.
 
I have played with 2 different AR10 sized rifles with LW BCG's & 3 different AR15 rifles with LW BCG's. I wouldn't even consider a LW BCG without a adjustable gas block. As soon as you step away from a normal mass BCG you are going into the unknown, and it WILL be less reliable than just a standard 'mil spec' combination of parts. You will quickly blow through more money in ammo trying to tune you system with springs / buffers than if you just bought an adjustable gas block up front.

AR LW BCG's are a compromise. You CAN get very real benefits, but there are negative downsides to them, as you are now finding out. If you are on a budget, just stay with a standard weight BCG, non adjustable gas block and proven buffers & buffer springs.

And I doubt anyone will give you a definitive answer to your question.
 
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Agreed.
Just get an adjustable block.
messing with springs and buffers are just bandaids. Correct the problem at the source, reduce the gas, otherwise you are just compromising inviting problems and headache.
 
Gun ran great with the gas block I had which is not adjustable.
5 different kinds of ammo, and an H buffer. 3:30-4:00 ejection, soft shooting, and locked back after last round on 5 different mags. Tested today.
 
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