Bryan Carvalho
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Anyone have any experience with these barrels more so on a bolt gun? Any thoughts on them? Accuracy? Ease of cleaning? Life? Thanks.
lilja barrel
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Yes. We use a ton of Dan Liljas barrels every year and they are extremely good.
Many world records have been set with Lilja barrels so that in itself speaks to the accuracy potential.
Barrel life is more governed by how hot the barrel is allowed to get just like with any other barrel.
Being button rifled they may not clean as easily as a cut rifled barrel may. YMMV
Mystic Precision
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Dan has certainly built up a solid reputation as a good barrel maker.
In the US, Shilen, Lilja and Benchmark vie for top spots in the BR50 rimfire ranks. These shooters demand silly accuracy from their rigs and get it.
Button rifled barrels clean as quick or slow as any other style of rifling. Lapping determines the surface finish NOT how the rifling was made.
Barrel wear is comparable between button and cut. There is no magic here as most match barrel companies use the same type of steel. Some may even use the SAME steel.
Jerry
In the US, Shilen, Lilja and Benchmark vie for top spots in the BR50 rimfire ranks. These shooters demand silly accuracy from their rigs and get it.
Button rifled barrels clean as quick or slow as any other style of rifling. Lapping determines the surface finish NOT how the rifling was made.
Barrel wear is comparable between button and cut. There is no magic here as most match barrel companies use the same type of steel. Some may even use the SAME steel.
Jerry
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I agree given conversations with many barrel makers both in Canada and the US, there seems to be really only 1 steel manufacturer who carries the steel used in barrel making, so like with many commodities the material may be the same but the guy doing the work determines what the end quality really is.
Mystic Precision
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Unfortunately, that also means when that supplier is having a bad day, a whole lot of bad barrels are the result.
Every barrel maker goes through ebbs and flows, making hummers and duds. But the one big wildcard that comes up time and again is what will the next batch of steel be like to work with.
There is alot of science mixed in with art in making a barrel and the more I learn from barrel makers, the more amazed I am at how much accuracy we actually get from a machined hunk of steel.
They truly are craftsmen....
Jerry
Every barrel maker goes through ebbs and flows, making hummers and duds. But the one big wildcard that comes up time and again is what will the next batch of steel be like to work with.
There is alot of science mixed in with art in making a barrel and the more I learn from barrel makers, the more amazed I am at how much accuracy we actually get from a machined hunk of steel.
They truly are craftsmen....
Jerry
Bryan Carvalho
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Thanks for the info guys. Was kinda thinking along these lines but didn't know much about the same steel supplier. This brings me to another topic. With all the talk of wildcats and barrel burners, has anyone tried necking up 300win mag brass to 338? I have a 338 win mag and noticed case capacity should be greater with the 300 case. Much cheeper with 300 brass over the lapua. Just tinkering with things on my reloading bench and thinking out loud.
Someone has probably done it. There are very few conversions that have not been tried. You could play with case volumes for .338L, .338RAUM, your .338/.300WinMag, .338/8mmRemMag. Somehow I suspect that given the cost of building up one of these rifles, the cost differential for the cases is a pretty small part of the picture.
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Yes it has been done, increase in velocity was minor between the 338 Win and 300Win necked up to 338. IIRC there was some thought about the short neck of the 300 not being adequate for the larger diameter bullet. The 300 Win has long been criticized for its short neck, that being said despite the short neck the 300 win mag WORKS!!!
I believe any gains by necking out the 300 win mag to 338 would not be worth the effort. If you want to gain some velocity and still have cheap look at the 338 RUM
winchester_070
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Sorry they do not all use the same steel manufacture. I have personally seen "heats" from a couple of different barrel manufactures and they were not from the same steel manufacture" and as far as i can tell "Cruciable 416" is not the king of stainless anymore but a few company's produce a very simular steel .
Most do use 410 or 416 for stainless and most use either 4140 or 4150 for moly barrels some have special blends on their steel if they can put together a big enough order for a melt..
Most do use 410 or 416 for stainless and most use either 4140 or 4150 for moly barrels some have special blends on their steel if they can put together a big enough order for a melt..
