LMT or Noveske

I'm not an AR15 expert, however I have owned two LMT's (14.5" LE, 16" MRP) and three Noveske rifles (10.5 CQB VIS, 14.5 Afgan VIS & 18 SPR VIS - All SS Barrels). The LMT's are great rifles, however the Noveskes are better for primarily one reason: Accuracy. The Noveske SS, Mod O, polygonal barrels are more accurate than any steel, chrome lined barrel LMT produces. Barrel life may be a bit better on a LMT barrel, however that is open to argument and not really an issue for Canadian AR15 owners. Quality control for both manufactures is excellent, however the Noveske will have slightly better fit and finish. Of course bot companies make a variety of different variations of AR15's. If I were you I'd go with a Noveske in a VLTOR VIS upper if you can find one. The lower is not as important and more of a nicety, collector factor than anything else. I really like the LMT MRP too, however the inherent accuracy of the Noveske barrels is just better and with the MRP you are stuck with LMT barrels. If you are thinking of paying the extra bucks for a standard Noveske light rifle, than I'd just get an LMT patrol carbine and save the bucks. My opinion only.
 
Ive had 2 LMTs and been very impreesed with them. Not sure if Noveske is still importing to Canada (Questar says their permits are expired, and good luck getting in touch with Socom Supply). LMT is actually making "canadian-ized" rifles to get around the 556/762 export ban, which is a huge plus that theyre willing to change part of their machining process to accomodate us.

Noveske pops up on the EE from time to time at a premium...ive certainly been tempted but have found equally high-end ARs from LMT for slightly cheaper.
 
tshelrud said:
I'm not an AR15 expert, however I have owned two LMT's (14.5" LE, 16" MRP) and three Noveske rifles (10.5 CQB VIS, 14.5 Afgan VIS & 18 SPR VIS - All SS Barrels). The LMT's are great rifles, however the Noveskes are better for primarily one reason: Accuracy. The Noveske SS, Mod O, polygonal barrels are more accurate than any steel, chrome lined barrel LMT produces. Barrel life may be a bit better on a LMT barrel, however that is open to argument and not really an issue for Canadian AR15 owners. Quality control for both manufactures is excellent, however the Noveske will have slightly better fit and finish. Of course bot companies make a variety of different variations of AR15's. If I were you I'd go with a Noveske in a VLTOR VIS upper if you can find one. The lower is not as important and more of a nicety, collector factor than anything else. I really like the LMT MRP too, however the inherent accuracy of the Noveske barrels is just better and with the MRP you are stuck with LMT barrels. If you are thinking of paying the extra bucks for a standard Noveske light rifle, than I'd just get an LMT patrol carbine and save the bucks. My opinion only.
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Fair enough I see your point, However if we compare the MRP to the Noveske VIS then I believe the MRP has the edge. First, with the MRP upper the options are endless, it's like lego for men. All kinds of different barrel swaps within seconds, different caliber swaps within seconds, and you can also covert your MRP to a FACTORY piston gun, (not after market) within seconds. You can accomplish all this without any special tools or gunsmithing. That to me has win all over it, especially for us Canadians.

In terms of the Noveske getting the accuracy edge, I dont really buy that. There both sub MOA guns and at the end of the day your just splitting hairs. IMHO

The versatility you get with the MRP platform is second to none. At this stage in the game no other manufacturer can touch that. Lastly the fit & finish with the LMT product is top notch aswell, no less then with Vltor/Noveske I'd say...
 
The LMT MRP, or Noveske/VLTOR VIS comparison is clearly a tight race. Your argument about quick change barrels is also splitting hairs, in that you still require a torque wrench to change out an LMT barrel, while all you need to change a VIS barrel is the VIS supplied wrench head. It takes maybe a minute longer to change a VIS barrel. Also there is no doubt that the SS Noveske barrels are tighter grouping, however you are talking about a 1/2" to 1" improvement depending on barrel length. This type of accuracy imrpovement will only be realized when benched, and most people are not buying short to medium barrel length AR's to bench them. That being said, I love both manufactures and if I were to sell my Noveske's I'd probably buy an LMT over any other AR brand, including Colt (Please no 6920 fanatic responses). With Noveske's as hard to come by, and expensive as they are, you are probably better off with an LMT anyways, as Questar is still importing the rifles and barrels (I think). However, when taking money out of the equation, I'd still stick with my Noveske rifles. I'm sure that any other Noveske owners, who have also owned LMT's feel the same way.
 
tshelrud said:
The LMT MRP, or Noveske/VLTOR VIS comparison is clearly a tight race. Your argument about quick change barrels is also splitting hairs, in that you still require a torque wrench to change out an LMT barrel, while all you need to change a VIS barrel is the VIS supplied wrench head.
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Actually all LMT MRP product comes with the torque wrench and socket, regardless of whether you bought a complete rifle or just an upper. Im not too sure about changing VIS barrels but with the LMT you do not require a vise or vise block assembly. Is this the same for the VIS system?

Does the VIS system offer a barrel & calibre change kit?

Does the VIS system offer a FACTORY piston kit, not aftermarket?

With the MRP system the piston kit is exactly what they use on there factory piston guns, furthermore the uppers are one and the very same that LMT uses between DI and piston.
 
50calshooter said:
Actually all LMT MRP product comes with the torque wrench and socket, regardless of whether you bought a complete rifle or just an upper. Im not too sure about changing VIS barrels but with the LMT you do not require a vise or vise block assembly. Is this the same for the VIS system?

Does the VIS system offer a barrel & calibre change kit?

Does the VIS system offer a FACTORY piston kit, not aftermarket?

With the MRP system the piston kit is exactly what they use on there factory piston guns, furthermore the uppers are one and the very same that LMT uses between DI and piston.
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The first lot of LMT MRPs didnt come with a torque wrench or socket head. The big drawback to Noveske is that they are hard to get. I wanted one in the past in my collection but thier Canadian dealer such as he was never answered the phone.
 
where can one find a LMT with 16" or 18" barrel. I have only seen the 14.5" barrel version. any reputable sites that you would recommend?
 
LMT only makes 18" and 16" SS barrel for MRP - as far as I remember. For regular non-match barrels, there are 10.5, 14.5 and 16.

For the regular uppers, they have 10.5, 14.5 and 16.
 
According to the sales rep: a new LMT rifle is so AWSOME that it will cause you to, trade in your 40 year old wife for 2 twenty year olds, lose 20 pounds, and buy a new Corvette just to transport it to the range.

Yeah, so I bought one and have been very happy since.

Never handled a Noveske.
 
FPembleton said:
Is all of this knowledge based upon personal experience or Internet knowledge?
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First hand, although I never benched them, but at the end of the day both targets were missing their centers. (They both performed well above average) Again splitting hairs for what us Canadians use them for. So maby it's fair to say based on others experiences if they were benched that the Noveske has a slight accuracy edge. Is it relevant? Is it enough of an edge that gives the Noveske the upper hand? I dunno...

Coming back to the OP's original post.

Yes Noveske is impossible to get and with the price tag it commands is it really that much better?
It just seems that the MRP offers us Canadians a better choice all around. Even more important, LMT is in it for the long haul to make sure theres a steady supply up here for us. The same can't be said for Noveske.

So who wins?
 
is it possible to obtain the 18" barrel version? I would love one as a super accurate bench (semi-auto .308) rifle and just magpul the crap outta it

EDIT: forgot to add, can one add a Magpul PRS stock to the LMT? How would one go about doing that?
 
MPower said:
Hypothetically, if you had the funds, what would you buy LMT or Noveske and why?
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I have the funds, I've owned both, and I chose Noveske. Lots of people own LMT'S. They are great rifles. Unfortunetally, there are not a lot of Noveske owners in Canada, while there are plenty of LMT owners to chime in on this argument. But if quality, accuracy, and dependability are the issue than go to AR15.com, or M4carbine.net, where there are plenty of comparisons in a market where they are readily available. It is apparent to my that the Noveske, KAC and Larue rifles always seem to come out on top for Tier 1 AR's. I've done some internet research as well as owned and fired both rifle brands. IMHO, Noveske is better. OUT.

My Noveske's
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My 16" LMT MRP:
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I recall a few years ago here, before LMT was common that alot of people had Noveske stuff. That was of course in the days where it was easier to get stuff shipped here.

If Questar ever gets anymore Noveske uppers, I think Ill buy one.
 
vondnik said:
I've seen the barrel bolts on the mrp snap under range use... Can say if they where installed or torqued correctly but seeing 2 of them fail on different guns turned me off from the design
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And that is the question... how were the bolts installed... were they properly installed and torqued or simply over-tightened?

I have personally owned LMT MRP's, one of which is from the very first shipment we imported (a number of years ago)... the guns have quite a few rounds through them and have undergone MANY barrel changes so the barrel bolts have been in and out a LOT of times... and I have NEVER broken any of the barrel bolts or had them fail on my guns... They are original and work perfectly.

I have replaced broken barrel bolts for customers, but in every case was told that they either over-tightened them or didn't torque them using the torque wrench. When properly installed the MRP system has an excellent reliability record.

Mark
 
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