loading .44 Special in a .44 Magnum case

9.0 of N320 is close to full power for a 44 MAg. For a good reduced power plinking load, try 6 to 7.5 gr.

Welcome to 'the next step' of reloading; where you take your sanity in your own hands and stray below (never above) the reloading manual.

As Ganderite says, no need to go all the way to 9 grains - you could likely go as low as 5, but at that point the load is not generating enough heat to burn all the powder, and you end-up with a mess. But you have little to fear going below the 'start-at' manual loads.

As an example; Vihtavuori lists 3.7 gr N310 as the minimum load for .45 with a 200gr LSWC, giving 827 fps -

http://www.vihtavuori(dot)com/en/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/-45-acp.html

- I prefer 3.3gr, though I'll go up to 3.6 - and for velocities I'm happy in the mid-600's; again, how much power / velocity do you need to kill a piece of paper? I'd shoot ~warmer out of a .44 magnum because of the big case and pressure loss at the flash gap - but the lightest .44 load of N310 that Vihtavuori calls-for, is 10gr for 1,250 fps -

http://www.vihtavuori(dot)com/en/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/-44-remington-magnum-.html

- why? For a lubed 204gr lead SWC, 650 fps will do me fine, and the load will be a lot quieter and less obnoxious.

My go-to load for .357 is 3.3gr Titewad in .38 Special cases, with a ~125gr LRN bullet, sized 0.358". You won't find this load in a manual - because Hodgdon doesn't even list Titewad as a pistol powder. Yet this load is light, clean and quiet - throws the little slug with enough oomph to bowl-over tin rabbits on the steels range, yet almost no recoil in a full-underlug 6" revolver, and very accurate so the guests at the open house can hit what they shoot at. And this is the exact same load I use in 9mm, with a 124gr Lee LTC; enough power to cycle the action, mild, quiet and accurate without too much smoke.

This is why I suggest getting a Chrony - a couple starter loads I worked-out for the .45 when I started loading for it, had disturbing variances in velocity - >100 fps in the 550-fps range over 5 rounds; that's too much inconsistency, and I don't use those loads anymore. Were they dangerous? - I doubt it; they likely didn't have enough powder in them to be dangerous. But I didn't like them, so I don't use them anymore. And I found-out because of the Chrony - it's a valuable reloading tool. Next - a lead hardness tester.
 
Welcome to 'the next step' of reloading; where you take your sanity in your own hands and stray below (never above) the reloading manual.

As Ganderite says, no need to go all the way to 9 grains - you could likely go as low as 5, but at that point the load is not generating enough heat to burn all the powder, and you end-up with a mess. But you have little to fear going below the 'start-at' manual loads.

As an example; Vihtavuori lists 3.7 gr N310 as the minimum load for .45 with a 200gr LSWC, giving 827 fps -

http://www.vihtavuori(dot)com/en/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/-45-acp.html

- I prefer 3.3gr, though I'll go up to 3.6 - and for velocities I'm happy in the mid-600's; again, how much power / velocity do you need to kill a piece of paper? I'd shoot ~warmer out of a .44 magnum because of the big case and pressure loss at the flash gap - but the lightest .44 load of N310 that Vihtavuori calls-for, is 10gr for 1,250 fps -

http://www.vihtavuori(dot)com/en/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/-44-remington-magnum-.html

- why? For a lubed 204gr lead SWC, 650 fps will do me fine, and the load will be a lot quieter and less obnoxious.

My go-to load for .357 is 3.3gr Titewad in .38 Special cases, with a ~125gr LRN bullet, sized 0.358". You won't find this load in a manual - because Hodgdon doesn't even list Titewad as a pistol powder. Yet this load is light, clean and quiet - throws the little slug with enough oomph to bowl-over tin rabbits on the steels range, yet almost no recoil in a full-underlug 6" revolver, and very accurate so the guests at the open house can hit what they shoot at. And this is the exact same load I use in 9mm, with a 124gr Lee LTC; enough power to cycle the action, mild, quiet and accurate without too much smoke.

This is why I suggest getting a Chrony - a couple starter loads I worked-out for the .45 when I started loading for it, had disturbing variances in velocity - >100 fps in the 550-fps range over 5 rounds; that's too much inconsistency, and I don't use those loads anymore. Were they dangerous? - I doubt it; they likely didn't have enough powder in them to be dangerous. But I didn't like them, so I don't use them anymore. And I found-out because of the Chrony - it's a valuable reloading tool. Next - a lead hardness tester.

makes sense. i definitely need to invest in a chronograph. i would like to get a labradar since i shoot mostly indoor at a busy range so setting up a tripod downrange would get tiresome.

what im wondering is... if 9.0gr of n320 is close to full power then what is the 23.0gr of h110 under the same bullet? it feels a LOT hotter because it actually hurts the palm of my hand when i shoot that.

my goal for this load was to have something that was a little softer than the h110 that i could shoot on a regular basis. close to full power is fine as long as it didnt hurt my hand after 50 rounds like the h110 did. i will save the h110 for the special moments. lol
 
Campro 240gr bullets
7.5gr Titegroup for med loads. Tried 10gr, didn't like the snappy kick.
24gr Lil'Gun or H110 kicks nice and hard. Like the feel of Lil'Gun better, just seems smoother.

For lighter load I shoot the 357 since I have one no point in shooting more expensive 44Mag in lighter load.

629 Hunter
LNL press, lee die
 
what im wondering is... if 9.0gr of n320 is close to full power then what is the 23.0gr of h110 under the same bullet? it feels a LOT hotter because it actually hurts the palm of my hand when i shoot that.

In all likelihood, 9.0gr N320 is all they dared use. They have the advantage of being able to test the pressure, and that's likely what your popular .44 magnum handgun makers specify as their "do not exceed" loading. Your S&W could likely exceed that - by a bit - a Ruger could likely go a little higher - maybe - and a rifle, higher still. But why? - at that point you're taking your gun, fingers and eyes into more risk than is prudent; and yes, there're pictures of burst 629's out there.

Here's the trick, as I see it. Vihtavuori has (or had - haven't seen it for awhile) a comprehensive burn-rate chart; and if you google (I refuse to use google, in case you particularly care ;) ) powder burn rates, there are several other such lists and charts available; certain powders will move-up or down a point or two, but they all pretty well agree. Fast powders are good for light bullets, where you want the pressure to ramp quickly - otherwise, the pressure doesn't build to where the stuff will actually burn. For an example, you could try a load of 3gr H110; but bring a brass drift to push the bullet back out of the barrel, because so little of the powder will actually burn at that low load that likely the only thing pushing the bullet down the barrel will be the primer - and you'll be lucky indeed if it actually makes it out the muzzle; this is very much a "kids, don't try this at home" sorta' experiment.

At the opposite end of the scale would be a thumpin' great 250 - to - 300gr bullet that you want to go fast; this is a situation for our shooter-brethren to the south, who're allowed to actually hunt with their pistols. If you put a light powder behind that big a bullet and tried to drive it out the barrel at magnum velocities, the light powder would burn all-at-once and ramp-up the pressure 'WAAAAY too fast - and the bullet would likely go out through the side of the barrel or the top of the cylinder. This is what happened to the 629 in the pictures on the 'net - it went-off with such ferocity that it set-off the rounds to either side and blew the top off the cylinder. I really think he loaded a LOT of fast powder.

What you want in that situation is a slow powder; 2400, H110 or Li'l Gun; there will be ample heat and pressure to light it all, and it will burn all the way down the barrel - generating increasing pressure and accelerating the bullet the whole way - and the bullet will make it out the muzzle before the powder can produce pressures that are dangerous to the gun. This is why rifle rounds are loaded with much-slower-again powder; it'll be a (relatively) long time before the bullet can make it out the muzzle, so you definitely don't want the powder burning-out in the first 5" of the barrel; it'll put the rifle (and the shooter) at risk, whereas if it produces pressure the whole way down the barrel, the bullet will leave the muzzle a couple'a thousand fps faster than any pistol could throw it.

This BTW (or so I'm told) is why most .22 rifle barrels are 16" long; .22 powder is very specialised, and it uniformly burns-out in 16".
 
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