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I haven't really loaded much in the way of 40 except a little with HP 38 and Campro 180gr RN FCP. I recently came into some Campro 165gr but have never used them. Is there an advantage/disadvantage to the lighter bullet for target/plinking. I have a few different powders to try such as Titegroup/CFE Pistol/Power Pistol/HP38/ VihtaVuori N310. Anyone with experience able to offer load advise? Using a Para Ordanance 16/40 limited.
 
I've loaded .40 S&W with jacketed, plated and cast and the cast bullets are the only tricky one, jacketed or cast it's a fairly straightforward cartridge to load for, and there is lots of data out there. I've loaded lots of W231 (same as your HP38), but played around with several other powders, as well.

If you're happy with modest speeds either the Titegroup or HP38 will make a totally acceptable plinking load. If you want to run it up to see what it will do the CFE or PP should fill that niche, but know that lighter bullets pushed fast can have a rather sharp report and muzzle blast.
 
For target and plinking, unless your pistol gags on the lightest bullet available, in my experience I'd go with the lightest bullets I could find for that purpose. As pretty much all the .40 S&W reloaded in Canada is to poke a hole in paper or make a piece of metal ring, why not?

After the initial years of reloading the 180 grain bullet that was the standard and about 90% of what was available when the chambering first came out, I went to reloading the lightest bullets I could find without bullet casting.

I ended up with a bulk cast bullet of 140 grains, although there were/are other choices available of 130 grain and 125 grain as well. The 125 and 140 grain respectively should feel fairly similar to the same weight bullet out of the identical handgun in 9mm rather than 40 S&W. Actually, I know that's true because I have a Browning High Power Practical with interchangeable barrels for 9mm and 40 S&W. I can't tell the difference between 147 gr. 9mm and 140 gr 40 S&W. The choice of 140 grain bulk cast was made on the assumption that an almost identical weight bullet at almost identical velocities should pretty much shoot to the same POA/POI for handgun purposes. And in fact they do; no sight adjustments required out to 50 meters.

In these days of scarcity for those who didn't stock up their man cave against the next components shortage, I imagine it's a case of buy what you can find and load 'em until things get better.

In the standard size pistols that are all that are legally available in Canada today, the heavy 180 grain 40 cal bullets just required a firmer grip than you would a 9mm version of the pistol. But having tried them in sub compacts while down in the US, then they become a bit of a handful. That's probably part of the reason Barnes has developed their 125 and 140 grain Tac-XP police service and self defense ammunition; prior to Fauci Flu, the local Cabelas usually had the Barnes small round count boxes of Barnes 140 gr self defense ammo on the shelves.

I see no disadvantages, nothing but advantages from going as light and moderately slow as possible in 40 S&W as long as your pistol reliably functions and POA and POI coincide with the sights you have. The component bullets should cost less, especially when they weigh about 25% less than the heavier versions, less powder per charge for lighter bullets, less recoil, probably lower operating pressures, etc.

I don't know anything about Campro, but I imagine there aren't too many .40 S&W reloaders in Canada clamouring for a 125 - 140 gr cast bullet like component manufacturers down in the US offer. Particularly in times where they can probably sell just about anything they can put in a box for sale. I don't see the likelihood of the selection of .40 bullets increasing in the future now that it looks like the bloom is off the rose as far as .40 S&W goes. 9mm is continuing to increase it's market share.

If we still had lead wheelweights, a casting pot and a gang mould dropping the caliber and weight of your choice, finishing with powder coating rather than a lubrisizer would be a fairly easy solution to bullet shortages. In fact, you could probably pay for the casting pot, mould, and your time and make a little profit as well selling to the local handgun reloaders looking at bare shelves in the online and brick and mortar stores.
 
For target and plinking, unless your pistol gags on the lightest bullet available, in my experience I'd go with the lightest bullets I could find for that purpose. As pretty much all the .40 S&W reloaded in Canada is to poke a hole in paper or make a piece of metal ring, why not?

After the initial years of reloading the 180 grain bullet that was the standard and about 90% of what was available when the chambering first came out, I went to reloading the lightest bullets I could find without bullet casting.

I ended up with a bulk cast bullet of 140 grains, although there were/are other choices available of 130 grain and 125 grain as well. The 125 and 140 grain respectively should feel fairly similar to the same weight bullet out of the identical handgun in 9mm rather than 40 S&W. Actually, I know that's true because I have a Browning High Power Practical with interchangeable barrels for 9mm and 40 S&W. I can't tell the difference between 147 gr. 9mm and 140 gr 40 S&W. The choice of 140 grain bulk cast was made on the assumption that an almost identical weight bullet at almost identical velocities should pretty much shoot to the same POA/POI for handgun purposes. And in fact they do; no sight adjustments required out to 50 meters.

In these days of scarcity for those who didn't stock up their man cave against the next components shortage, I imagine it's a case of buy what you can find and load 'em until things get better.

In the standard size pistols that are all that are legally available in Canada today, the heavy 180 grain 40 cal bullets just required a firmer grip than you would a 9mm version of the pistol. But having tried them in sub compacts while down in the US, then they become a bit of a handful. That's probably part of the reason Barnes has developed their 125 and 140 grain Tac-XP police service and self defense ammunition; prior to Fauci Flu, the local Cabelas usually had the Barnes small round count boxes of Barnes 140 gr self defense ammo on the shelves.

I see no disadvantages, nothing but advantages from going as light and moderately slow as possible in 40 S&W as long as your pistol reliably functions and POA and POI coincide with the sights you have. The component bullets should cost less, especially when they weigh about 25% less than the heavier versions, less powder per charge for lighter bullets, less recoil, probably lower operating pressures, etc.

I don't know anything about Campro, but I imagine there aren't too many .40 S&W reloaders in Canada clamouring for a 125 - 140 gr cast bullet like component manufacturers down in the US offer. Particularly in times where they can probably sell just about anything they can put in a box for sale. I don't see the likelihood of the selection of .40 bullets increasing in the future now that it looks like the bloom is off the rose as far as .40 S&W goes. 9mm is continuing to increase it's market share.

If we still had lead wheelweights, a casting pot and a gang mould dropping the caliber and weight of your choice, finishing with powder coating rather than a lubrisizer would be a fairly easy solution to bullet shortages. In fact, you could probably pay for the casting pot, mould, and your time and make a little profit as well selling to the local handgun reloaders looking at bare shelves in the online and brick and mortar stores.

Very interesting and detailed info...thanks for this.
Late last week I tried reloading 10 rounds each of CFE Pistol at 6.9gr/7.1gr/ and 7.3 gr. All three seemed to shoot well in the Para so I settled on 7.3gr and reloaded a bunch at that weight. Hope to try them a little more next week. I also came into a couple old pots and a bunch of lead a while back and eventually I'd like to try casting bullets but I have no idea where to start but will try at some point I guess and see if those two old pots work.
 

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The Campro 165 grain bullet is excellent choice for 40S&W. I prefer the Campro 155 grain bullet, but 165's are nearly as good.
HP38 is like WW231, so 4.0 grains to 4.5 grains of HP38 would be very pleasant.
TiteGroup is a tad faster than HP38, but you can get away with the same load, its just a bit smokier. 40S&W really shines with lighter bullets. Better recoil management, & most pistol cartridges really benefit with fast burning powders.
 
Very interesting and detailed info...thanks for this.
Late last week I tried reloading 10 rounds each of CFE Pistol at 6.9gr/7.1gr/ and 7.3 gr. All three seemed to shoot well in the Para so I settled on 7.3gr and reloaded a bunch at that weight. Hope to try them a little more next week. I also came into a couple old pots and a bunch of lead a while back and eventually I'd like to try casting bullets but I have no idea where to start but will try at some point I guess and see if those two old pots work.

The only handgun I cast is the RCBS hollow base replica mould for the .455 Webley ball round. For all my .38 Spl, 9mm, .40 and 10mm things, the juice isn't worth the squeeze - in normal times, if you keep your eyes open and jump on the sales, blemishes, etc you can save a lot of money and your time buying your bullets in 1000, 5000, etc lots. Seems spendy at the time, but a lot cheaper than if you were to buy them by the 250, 500, etc. every couple of months.

I have some friends who have told me that if I'd drop my prejudice and buy a gang mould, I'd change my mind on casting for handgun. Nah, I don't think so... cast bullets by the thousands ain't my thing when I can buy them by the thousands in normal times. But if you're stuck... Midway has Lee six cavity .40 gang moulds for about $55 USD. 175 gr bullet - more lead than I'd want to use up per bullet, but on the shelf ready to go.

I don't know anything about the availability of handgun bullet moulds these days, whether commercially or being sold by casters her on the EE or similar forums. For your described handgun plinking, you probably won't need a lubrisizer. A Lee push through sizer or one of NOE's cool resizer kits should do if necessary. And for plinkers, I'd never go back from shake and bake powder coating to lubrisizers, tumble lubing, or anything like that.

That Saeco is probably in good shape and it's ancestor being sold these days hasn't changed much except for cosmetics. I look on Lee's pots suspiciously as probable drip-o-matics. It's annoying, if it is, a small pie plate under it will deal with the drips. Lots of guys have posted that they eliminated the drip with a good cleaning and lapping the needle so that it properly seated into the spout.

From what little I can see of your pots, I suspect they need a good cleaning - which helps keep crap from finding it's way into the spouts of bottom pour pots. You'll find lots of info on cleaning casting pots, on rebuilding rheostats, etc all over the internet. I've never put anything but cleaned alloy in my pot and I keep them clean so in my limited experience to cleaning well maintained pots, cleaning involves doing nothing more than filling them with water, turning them on, and boiling water in them until all the crud and whatnot has lifted off, dissolved, etc.

Store them filled with alloy right to the top if you can; keeps air from getting at and working on surfaces. Or run them empty, then boil them clean and ready to go the next time.

The learning curve for casting when starting out is pretty steep for the first few days; when I started in the 70's, I felt like I was dipping into Voodoo with the old Lyman manual I had. Nobody I knew casted bullets. These days there is so much information, forums, etc on the Internet that you can't go browsing without stumbling over it.
 
I have so little time right now that casting is perhaps a winter time learning curve. I don't mind spending the time with these new hobbies but my problem is I have way too many hobbies. Those pots and lead was given to me so no investment in it so I'm not in a hurry but curiosity does have the better of me. Thanks again for all the info and advise. I'll probably have a ton of questions when I do venture into it I'm sure.
 
I've used Tite-Group, HP-38, W-231, Long shot, Bullseye, HS-6, Unique, Blue Dot for 175gr cast SWC & 180gr RN,TC. Most of these powders will work equally well in some lighter bullets. Check out the powder load data on their websites. (and welcome to the wallet drain)
 
I have used other powders in the past, but now HP-38 under Cast Lead in a .40 Jericho. Clean, accurate, and soft shooting.
 
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