Loads for .308 at 1000m any ideas?

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Hey guys im new to reloading and wanted to start shooting more past 600m. Currently im shooting a remington 700 xcr long range tactical with a 26" barrel.

I need ideas for what type of powder and bullet weight , and primers(does a certain type of primers matter?) i should use.
right now i been using 168gr hpbt. and also what kind of loads and velocity i should be looking at!!

thanks
 
Work up a load using 175 grain Matchkings with IMR4064. Everything else will be fine as is. Look for around 2600fps to 2700fps or so.
 
If you really want to get to 900-1000m, ditch the 168's. They really get weird past 800. Don't ask why, but they do. 175, and 155 smks both do very well. I use a healthy does of varget, lapua cases, Win primers, and 175 SMKs, and do very well at 900m.
 
Both 155 and 175 gr MK's have a good reputation for 1000 yard work. I prefer a heavier bullet, but I have a fast twist barrel, with a throat long enough for me to seat the heavy bullets within the neck of the case. As a result I can make 2700 fps with a 200 gr MK. My logic is that because heavy bullets have a smaller powder column and lower muzzle velocity, it is easier to keep round to round velocity more consistent.

There's a common notion that 168's won't shoot past 800 yards, but I have enough of them on my loading bench that I might wish to put that theory to the test once it warms up around here. I have a theory that these bullets might not become unstable as they drop through the transonic/subsonic barrier if fired from a fast twist barrel. We'll see. Another problem with 168's is that common match loads have a muzzle velocity of 2500 fps, compared to 2900 for 155's. Loaded to 2750 from a fast twist barrel, the 168 might be another animal.

The .308 is at best a medium capacity cartridge, so one doesn't need a Federal 215 for consistent ignition. Choose a primer that will cause minimal violence within the cartridge case yet ensures reliable ignition with the powder chosen and this will produce the most consistent velocities. I've had conspicuous success CCI BR-2 large rifle primers. I think that the small capacity of the .308 makes it ideal for ball powder but I need to do some more shooting before I can definitively endorse them. H-380 and W-760 look promising.
 
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RANT ON!

Everyone says ditch the 168's.

That's what was being used, with success, BEFORE the 175's came along.

I agree that the 175's are better at 1000, but the 168's did fine with the right load.

RANT OFF!
 
I've shot out to a 1000 on a semi-regular basis using what I had....Federal Gold Medal Match with the 168gr SMK. Seemed to work fine. Once I got the 18" gong dialed in it got boring. Haven't compared them to anything else or shot much in the way of groups to draw any conclusions.
 
Interesting problem with the 308 and long range shooting. My Sportco has a 1 in 14 twist and it shoots very well with 155 grain Berger VLD or 155 g Amax. I think the Bergers shade the Amax a bit. Haven't tried the 155 grain Scenars. Probably wont now as I'm enjoying the 6 BR too much and the recoil from the 308 is starting to get to me. Scenars are an interesting bullet though, that's for sure and I'd try them if I was going to go further with the 308. The powder I ended up using was Varget (tried H4895 and Reloader 15, both good too). Tested alot of 168's out to 300 meters a year or so ago and the groups opened up a bit when compared to the 155's. It wasn't a huge difference, say 1/2 MOA (or a bit better on a good day) as compared to 3/4 MOA. So, I have stayed with the 155's. Every once in awhile I get the itch to try a heavier bullet, but Berger was clear that the 1 in 14 twist is suited to the lighter bullets. In a way I kind of gave up the idea that the setup was good for 1000 yard shooting, though I could hit a gong out there. The guy who owned the rifle before me restricted it to 300 and 600 meters too. Maybe if a guy found a rifle that would shoot accurately at a higher velocity it would look better out there. But accuracy starts falling off somewhere between 2800and 2830 ft/sec in mine, regardless of powder. Come to think of it, I didn't try a ball powder, maybe that will work as Boomer suggested...hmmmm?
 
RANT ON!

Everyone says ditch the 168's.

That's what was being used, with success, BEFORE the 175's came along.

I agree that the 175's are better at 1000, but the 168's did fine with the right load.

RANT OFF!

168's were designed in the 1960 for 300m ISU shooting. Before the use of handloads in Canada, competitions were shot with issued military ball ammo. DA and IVI ammo was (is) 147 gr FMJ.
155 gr SMK Palma bullets were use in '92 in Raton for the World Palma Match. Once the DND stopped issuing ammo to the DCRA for competitions 155 SMK's became the most popular bullet in use for long range. Palma and DCRA rules have a maximum bullet weight of 156 gr for .308 bullets. However as ISU (now ISSF) matches do not have to follow DCRA or Palma rules for max bullet weight so 168 gr bullets can be used.

I have never fired 168's at long range but have heard many first hand horror stories from guys that have tried them.

These days you have many choices for 155 gr bullets from Sierra, Honady, Berger, Lapua and Nosler.
 
The 168 SMK is not the bullet I would choose for 1000 yard work. As some have already mentioned, the 154/155 Match bullets from Sierra Lapua and others will outperform the 168 at ranges past 800 yds. The 175 is also a great bullet, but will probably need a quicker twist than the 1-14" that works with the 154/155 grainers. RL 15 & Varget get the nod, with 4895 and 4064 also used successfully by some. Regards, Eagleye.
 
I have seen shooters at 900 meters using issue Norma 168gr Sierra and watched the bullets hitting the ground and everywhere except the target. They suck!

All long-range or 1000 BR sites provide countless tales of this inferior 1000 yard bullet.
 
Hey guys im new to reloading and wanted to start shooting more past 600m. Currently im shooting a remington 700 xcr long range tactical with a 26" barrel.

I need ideas for what type of powder and bullet weight , and primers(does a certain type of primers matter?) i should use.
right now i been using 168gr hpbt. and also what kind of loads and velocity i should be looking at!!

thanks

My load is:
Lapua Brass
CCI match primers
Varget 44gn
Berger 175gn VLD
COL 2.998
Rem700VVS 26 inch bbl. 1:10 twist.
Mvel 2650 fps
 
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