Long Branch Lee Enfield- It just isn't fair

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I know that it's simply a case of supply and demand, but seeing Enfields double in price over the past couple of years is really disheartening to a new collector. Evidently this trend hasn't caught on south of the border... our American neighbors to the south might be a bit jealous about all of our readily available Chinese and Russian imports, but every Canadian milsurp collector would gladly fork over $300 US for a nice Long Branch like the one in the link below. The affordable Long Branch in Canada is no more... I was born 50 years too late damnit!

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?366199-WTS-1942-Long-Branch-Lee-Enfield
 
I know how you feel....Just as you start to collect something, it seems eveyone else is doing the same.:)..Whilst $ figures for Enfields do seem better in the states its even more annoying having to pay an additional $200 to import, plus tax, plus delivery charges and the exchange rate, so your now back to $500/$600 which, on average, is what they are sellling for here anyway..
 
Keep looking, and when you find the gun you want, if it is on the stateside... You can be proud to repatriate that rifle HOME!

Cheers
Jay
 
I feel the same way. All Enfields seem to be rising steadily in price making it hard for us new to the collecting game to obtain the rifles we so desire. I really hope to add a minty LB at some point without selling my kidneys online...
 
The funny thing is, many of the older collectors out there bought all of their rare Enfield kit back when they were really cheap. They would have never thought of paying what they are going for now.

But they do watch the prices to see what their stuff is worth now.
 
Well, today young collector will be tomorrow an older collector.

It's always time to invest.

If you miss the boat , it's your problem.
 
I wisely bought my 1943 Longbranch back in 2012 for $350. Crazy how much they've gone up in price in such a short time.

But I'm a collector and not looking for a profit so it will never be sold and will be passed down to another family member in 50-60 years. Hopefully worth around $10k by then.
 
Have you ever owned a 1950?

2 actually. The receiver cut for the bolthead is a show stopper for me. Jam-o-matic.
When I said No4 I should have said any No4 Mk1* which would include various other makers as well. I had a 2 groove Maltby No4 Mk1 that was a solid 1.5 MOA.
I never liked the savage or Longbranch MK1* rifles. The No4 Mk2 is the Cadillac of Enfields.
 
2 actually. The receiver cut for the bolthead is a show stopper for me. Jam-o-matic.
When I said No4 I should have said any No4 Mk1* which would include various other makers as well. I had a 2 groove Maltby No4 Mk1 that was a solid 1.5 MOA.
I never liked the savage or Longbranch MK1* rifles. The No4 Mk2 is the Cadillac of Enfields.

One possibility that can cause the bolthead to jam , is the substitution of British made boltheads on a Long Branch or Savage. The original Mk 1* boltheads have a slight chamfer in the end of the slide track groove, so it will move through the gap without catching. There were over 2 million of the Long Branch and Savage Mk1* produced, so it couldn't have been that big an issue during WW2 . Fast forward 70 years, swapping of bolts and boltheads and general Bubba abuse and you can't expect it to perform the same with mismatched parts that were never meant to go together.
 
One possibility that can cause the bolthead to jam , is the substitution of British made boltheads on a Long Branch or Savage. The original Mk 1* boltheads have a slight chamfer in the end of the slide track groove, so it will move through the gap without catching. There were over 2 million of the Long Branch and Savage Mk1* produced, so it couldn't have been that big an issue during WW2 . Fast forward 70 years, swapping of bolts and boltheads and general Bubba abuse and you can't expect it to perform the same with mismatched parts that were never meant to go together.

^^ This. Maybe its because I'm an LB fanboy, but I have owned pretty well all the manufactures and Long Branch have always been the nicest.
 
I've owned and shot a lot of Lee Enfields over the years and call me biased, but I love the Long Branch Lee Enfields the most. I have a minty 1950 and a nice '43 with the Parker Hale 5C target sight on it. You can't beat the look and feel of the walnut stocks and the superb metal work to my mind. I got my '50 when they hit the market years ago (anyone remember the year?) for $185. My buddy fell in love with it, being a staunch Canadian boy, and asked me to get one for him. He gave me $300. and at the next gun show, I got him a '50 in the grease, an extra magazine, a sling, and a Mk. 7 bayonet (try to find one of THOSE now!). Crazy, eh?
 
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It really is a matter of Supply and Demand. I bought Lee Enfields in the 1950s for $9.95 to $15.95 and a Number 5 Jungle Carbine was $19.95. My first Swedish Mauser m/94 Carbine cost me just over $30 imported from Kleins in Chicago. But, the Canadian Dollar was worth about $1.20 at the time, so let's call it $24 Canadian.

Relative to that is that we were making 75 cents to a Dollar an hour in wages at that time.

The simple fact is that these and other Surplus rifles were plentiful then. They were the Moisin-Nagants and the SKS rifles of TODAY. A great War had been fought in Europe less than 15 years before that, and European Countries were devastated with their economy in bad shape. These firearms were an easy source of income, (and employment for the workers of the Companies that sporterized them.)

There were not as many Collectors of Milsurp firearms then that there is now. Most of the Collectors were more interested in the Henry, Colt, Winchester, and other "historic" firearms and really did not consider that the Snider, Martini-Henry, and various Milsurp rifles were that "historic" enough to pay a lot of hard earned money for.

Today, we have more Collectors and that "historic" factor is more recognized. There has only been a limited number of these rifles made, and no more will be produced. The Factories who built them and the machinery that made them are long gone.

Let's put it in another perspective. You could buy a new car for under $5000. So you went out, if you had the money, and bought a loaded 1957 Chevrolet, or a 1956 T-bird or even a Corvette or Mustang or a similar vehicle. That same 1957 Chevrolet after being used and with mileage on it, but in good shape, would bring $40 to $50,000 at one of the big car auctions today. That is 8 to 10 times what it would have originally cost. A $10 SMLE, if kept in original good shape, is now $400 to $500 or 40 to 50 times what it originally cost. Not a bad investment for your money, and a lot more affordable that that 1957 Chevrolet. And, the SMLE is affordable to most of us here, even though we rant about prices today.

We, the "Old Farts" of the "Recreational Firearms Community," just happened to be born when there was still Freedom in Canada. As a kid, we could ride our bicycles throughout Southern Ontario with an old Cooey .22 rifle strapped to the handlebars, in search of those big Woodchucks, and no one really thought too much about it. We seemed to be more responsible then, and there was more respect. Hard to believe, but even the Police Officers who drove by us gave us a friendly wave, and carried on their way. NOT ANY MORE!

We could buy and SHOOT a plethora of firearms. We could own, possess and fire things like Machine Guns, which had the same classification as Restricted pistols, and a LOT less paperwork to have one. I bought a Lewis, MP-40, M2 Carbine, quite a few Sten guns of all types including a Mark I, a new unfired Savage made 1928 Thompson, and a lot of other stuff that would make Bureaucrats have nightmares today. NOT ANY MORE!

A friend of mine and I went to Ye Olde Hunter in Alexandria, Virginia and bought things like cased Number 4 Lee Enfields for less than $50 each, and I even bought a 25mm Hotchkiss anti-tank gun while I was there, complete with 16 rounds of ammunition for it. We put the stuff in the back of his pickup truck and put a tarp over it. Arriving at Fort Erie Customs in the wee hours of the morning, we took the paperwork in and the Customs Officer asked what was under the tarp. When we showed him, he said "Gee, that's neat." Then we went back inside, paid the duty on the stuff, and we waved goodbye to each other and we left. NOT ANY MORE!

Will we ever see those times again? NOT ANY MORE!
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However........just like the stock market, there could be a gun-market crash. In fact, a stock market crash would cause a gun-market crash as might the esteemed Justin becoming next PM. There seems to be an awful lot of disposable income out there right now- partly due to low interest rates allowing people to make other use of cash that might be going to car and home mortgage payments. But make no mistake, expensive milsurps are luxury items and the market for them may not be constant or straight-forward. As an "investement" they are frought with issues like fakes, possible destruction by usage, political climate, etc. Those holding their No. 4 T outfits in hope of getting $10,000 may or may not win in the long run. As someone who collects and shoots for pure entertainment I would love to see a "correction" that made Lee Enfields affordable again. I recently brought two in from the US (both interesting WW1 vintage) and payed less with importation fees added than I would have for the same rifles up here. I do believe I saw a rather tatty No. 1 Mk III listed at $2,300 on a well known commercial website. It sold relatively quickly, no doubt due to the rush to add WW1 guns to collections as the anniversary of the start of the War drew near.

milsurpo
 
Buffdog kind of stole my thunder. Our thinking has changed, too. Us old buzzards, I mean. We know darn well what the value of some of this stuff is before we buy, thanks to the internet.

I will speak for myself here, as I don't want to insult some of the smarter people. I bought guns in the past because I liked them, not necessarily to fill a spot in any fancy collection. Some turned out to be real gems, such as the SAT Mosin, but I can't try to fool anybody into thinking that I knew what I had when I bought them. Now, as per the thinking change I mentioned above, I might be buying a rifle to add to my "collection', or I might just be buying it because I like it.

Money is a consideration. I am not paying off a huge mortgage, and always, always, always have cash on hand for any eye-poppers that happen to surface. I don't bind my buying criteria to any rigid guidelines. For example, a few years back I bought an old Savage 6AB. Not a milsurp, but the principle is what i am discussing. I dug into the information available online about these rifles and ended up with around 20 variations.

Moral of the story is basically this: Buy what YOU like, pay attention to the info available, and above all ENJOY your collection, whether it be unissued Mauser 98's or well worn Mosin 91/30's. :)
 
Pisst, don't tell any Canadians but Brian #### has dual citizenship and was born in Canada and now lives in South Carolina and sells Enfields. I bought a unissued 1950 Long Branch from him several years ago, Brian is also a very good friend of Captain Peter Laidler the senior British Armourer in the U.K. and Enfield expert and author. Meaning I consider Brian one of the most knowledgeable persons in the U.S. on the Enfield rifle and he was an Armourer in the military.

BDL LTD

http://www.bdlltd.com/Military_Firearms_Curio_%26_Relic.html

Sadly I had too many milsurps gathering dust that I could no longer shoot due to chronologically gifted eyesight and sold them off to get scoped firearms or firearms with braille sights. :bangHead:
 
Apologize for a No4 LB?...Never.......apparently the * mod saved over 80 machine operations!

......yes...if you want to keep something complicated keep doing it the Brit way...
 
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