Long rang shooter

BCBRAD said:
I beg to differ!

The stock Tikka Tactical in 300WM I have is a < 0.4 moa rifle at 1048 yards, that's a 4" 5 shot group, under ideal conditions. One time does not mean much

Another is a rebarreled - not stock T3, #5 Benchmark in 6 Dasher, this rifle is in the 5's but a recent bedding job puts in the 4's.

Again , another is a rebarreled - not stock T3, #6 Benchmark in 6 Dasher, this rifle is braked, McMillan A3-5 stock, it needs work as the last time out only printed a 9" 5 shot groupmat 1048yds.

The last one is a Tikka Varmint in 223, it will put 10 inside an inch at 100m and slam an MOA chunk of steel at 500m all day long as long as you are 'on' the wind.Sub MOA sure, sub 1/2 or .4MOA this is not

Impeccable handloads of BR quality surely helps as does bench technique and the ability to read the wind. You did not go out buy a stock Tikka and throw in some factory loads. You have also probably spent hours at the range and the reloading bench to do what you do - not to mention probably hundreds (if no thousands on reloading gear)

I have not had a Tikka , Sako or for that matter a Savage that would not put 5 in an inch at 100m.

Last year, and the year before that and the year before that, one competitor with a rebarreled - not stock Tikka in 6 Dasher never had a group larger than 1 moa, many groups in the 5" territory and one 3 shot group at 1.75", this at 1048 yards.

Accuracy and precision takes effort, time and education. The OP can be competitive, if that's what he's after , with a <$2k set up.

That is THE reality.
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I do agree with much of what you are saying but CGN is so full of "snipers" it is stupid. A M700 SPS with a Huskemaw Super Duper Tactical Sniper Falcon Extreme Scope that shot a .6 group one time does not make it "sub moa" all day long.

The reality is that 90% of the "MOA all day long" shooters are either doing 3 round groups, calling their "fliers" or shooting one group a day and calling it quits.

But yes Tikkas for the most part will shoot better than Remingtons these day it seems.
 
rustynut1 said:
I don't know what your issue is? I have a gun that is similar to what the police use, tactical, maybe. I have three books here about snipers, two from WW2 and Chris Kyle's book called American Sniper, also a movie called the same. Way you're going on these books and movie need to be renamed, maybe American Puffy or some other political correct name. Frankly I don't care about your political correctness. I shoot paper targets, thats it.

At this point the gun has a normal scope on it so likely 400 yards would be about it, inside the scope without guessing/holdover. The salesman, who is a long range shooter suggested about 800 yards with the 20 inch bbl.
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Did you decide to get a "sniper rifle" before or after you watched the movie lol?

As for my name "Sharp Shooter", its because it wasn't taken when I joined, the first ten or so that came to mind were taken and Sharp Shooter is a cool name.

Anyway, I am sick of walking into the local gun shop to buy reloading supplies and seeing losers in there telling me they just bought a "sniper rifle" and point to that Mossberg tacti cool 308. I ask them what its chambered for and they say "I think either 308 or 30-06, I'm not sure yet". Its messed up because we don't even have a rifle range near by.......Too many kids watch these movies and go out and buy "sniper rifles" because their #### grows a bit when they hold it.

You should have just said you bought a target rifle because you shoot targets. I have hunting rifles that I am capable of shooting 400 yards but I don't call them sniper rifles............Maybe I need to relax about this and am taking your first post completely wrong without any tone or body language (that's 85 percent of the conversation by the way) but you're first post reminded me of that stupid kid at the gun shop the other day way too much.

And besides, that movie is just a bunch of propaganda.

And by the way, since you have reloading gear I have some Sierra Match HPBT for sale on EE, I'll give you a good deal if you want them.
 
Ryan.M.Anderson said:
I do agree with much of what you are saying but CGN is so full of "snipers" it is stupid. A M700 SPS with a Huskemaw Super Duper Tactical Sniper Falcon Extreme Scope that shot a .6 group one time does not make it "sub moa" all day long.

The reality is that 90% of the "MOA all day long" shooters are either doing 3 round groups, calling their "fliers" or shooting one group a day and calling it quits.

But yes Tikkas for the most part will shoot better than Remingtons these day it seems.
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I hear you :) ! Just relating my own experiences with Tikka, a cost effective way of being competitive.

Anyone who puts their ability up for public scrutiny "competition" knows it is not easy.

I find the equipment remains static, but the operator (in my case) has good and not so good days.

I've also changed how I do the handloads and tune those loads , this has helped considerably .

Best of the day to you, cold and windy here today so not a good range day. ;(
 
Ryan, your right , one time doesn't mean much, the 300 Tikka Tactical 4 incher was in competition, it will keep that or a bit bigger groups, the operator tends to mess with the rifles ability :). When conditions are not good, the Dasher is susceptible to the wind to a greater degree than a 208 A-Max anyway these are 5 shot groups, sometimes the sighter is skipped. It does open up to ~15" for 10 shots, but this is a stock rifle with a 4x16 Vortex PST scope.

Anyway if a T3 was offered in 6 Dasher or even 6 BR they would not have been re-barreled.

Many years and many $1000's have been spent on handloading .
 
For a budget long distance build I like the stock Remington Sendero® SF II in 7 mm mag with a 26 inch barrel. Then replace the trigger with a Timiney or Jewel trigger set to about 24 oz. Then bed the action and you have a 1 MOA tack driver good to about 1000 m. This set up will cost you about $2200. Optics are another kettle of fish. Remember that you usually get what you pay for in optics. Here is my list for good optics from inexpensive to expensive:

SWFA super sniper
IOR Valdada 3 x 18 x 42 Tactical
Leopold Mark 4 line
Vortex Razor line
Premier reticles
Night Force
US Optics
Schmidt and Bender

In optics you typically pay for:
- Glass quality
- Turret quality and repeatability (this is a big deal!!)
- Overall scope quality and robustness

That's my $0.02

Cheers
 
I've never seen the movie, I have the book. Most American's over rate their achievements in my experience. I'll check out your projectiles. I have read that 168 grain are good, I have 150 grain now. I'm not going to get into this serious just play around. There is a 600 meter range nearby so I'm working at joining that range.

In a few paragraphs of text I used 2 words that you didn't like, we are now on page three of this thread. I get it that it would be better not to use a word that a SJW progressive liberal could focus on and make our sport trouble. Could be better ways to relay this info I guess.

I talked to James at the gun store. He said they have two more of these guns. Not sure if that means the black one I got or all of them, I think it is two more black .308 ones plus green and other calibers.
 
Depending on the twist of your barrel and how far you'd like to shoot, I'd suggest trying a bullet in the 175gr range. They do better at extended ranges. The 168gr SMK specifically tends to tumble around 800 yards or so. You'll be quite surprised what you can do with a 20" barrelled .308. I routinely shoot my 20" rem 700 (bedded in a boyd's stock and with aftermarket trigger but otherwise stock) out to about 980 and have shot it out to 1280 in matches. With my handloads, it's sub moa (generally around .75) at 100 and I've shot 10 shot groups that were a hair over 1 moa at 830 yards. I'm not familiar with your scope but if you do a tall target test, you'll be able to see if your turrets track properly. From there, work up a load and stretch her legs out :)
 
For precision shooting you need to reload so if starting new consider the 260/6.5 offering. A lot easier to get <1/2MOA compare to 308s.

Here's the Wiki def for sniper. As a joke tell the CFO when ask what your next restricted firearm purchase is for tell them you want to be a sniper :) Please rely how that goes.
A sniper is a marksman or qualified specialist who operates alone, in a pair, or with a sniper team to maintain close visual contact with the enemy and shoot enemies from concealed positions or distances exceeding the detection capabilities of enemy personnel.
 
If your not a serious shooter and just want to hit target at a far distance at time to time, you don't need to spend alot of money. All you need is 3 things. 1. shoot at ranges within your rifles capability. 2. shoot at Targets that are appropriately sized to your rifles ability. ( if your rifle shoots 2 moa, and want to shoot at 600 yard, shoot at targets bigger than 12 inch or bigger) 3. get a scope that can repeatably adjust point of aim over 15 mils ( if you can zero at the bottom of a mil reticle you wont need adjustable turrets, if not get a scope with turrets not caps).

You hit targets at 1000m with a bunch of calibers, from a bunch of budget rifles.
 
Well I don't really consider this a True "LR" gun, but it is considered a real Sniper rifle, LOL, its my 700p TWS (25711) its the police issue .308 I did restock it with a better HS, put a bigger Leupold on it and brake but its a good shooter and can reach out pretty decent for a .308, its pretty much the Varmint 308 with extra goodies if you ask me.


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no its indexed perfectly, for some reason when I canted the rifle to the side for a picture it looks off, not sure why it picked up like that in the pic, it does look 180 off lol.
 
Well I finally got this Howa 1500 out to the range. It is 308Win model in case you don't remember! I had broken the gun in before this. The day was maybe +5C little wind light rain. I was sighting in the gun basically at 100 yards. This is a great gun, pure and simple. I'm not a great shot but this gun is good. I have a lot of work to do with my reloads, need to throw out most if not all brass and get some better projectiles as well. Better powder as well. Happy with the rifle though. Shot 25 rounds over maybe 1 hour. I shot 6 rounds from my Savage Axis, I hate that gun. I had changed out the stock for a Boyds hoping the gun would kick less, fraid not!
 
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