Longthorne Defiance Hi Power

Super slick, but adding safeties isn't something that interests me. Even if I had the money, it's a pass for me.
 
They didn't 'add' anything. The design already had a magazine disconnect, they just changed it so it doesn't cause a lousy trigger or cause the magazine to stick, and it's just as easy to remove as the original design.
 
meh, when did browning announce the discontinue of of the hi power, 2018? Makes me wonder how many they were actually selling up until then to have this race to the bottom with these "improvements" including FN itself? So glad I picked up a standard when dealers were selling them for $799 back the summer they were discontinued. This one above so far looks better than the garbage out of springfield and the new FN. The hi power was what it was and it spoke for itself. I wouldn't trade my standard for all 3 of these new ones.
 
maxman1 said:
They didn't 'add' anything. The design already had a magazine disconnect, they just changed it so it doesn't cause a lousy trigger or cause the magazine to stick, and it's just as easy to remove as the original design.
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...I was counting the ambi-safety as well as what they've done to the magazine disconnect safety as being additions to safeties. The additional feature of locking up the trigger when the magazine is removed is an additional feature.
 
Painkillers said:
...I was counting the ambi-safety as well as what they've done to the magazine disconnect safety as being additions to safeties. The additional feature of locking up the trigger when the magazine is removed is an additional feature.
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Have you ever fired a Hi Power? The Hi Power has had an ambi safety since 1989. Pulling the trigger on a standard Hi Power with the magazine removed does nothing, and the disconnect on the Longthorne is just as easy to remove as on a standard Hi Power.
 
maxman1 said:
Have you ever fired a Hi Power? The Hi Power has had an ambi safety since 1989. Pulling the trigger on a standard Hi Power with the magazine removed does nothing, and the disconnect on the Longthorne is just as easy to remove as on a standard Hi Power.
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Yes...I own a Turkish knock off. No ambi safety as it is a clone of the JMB design. I'm aware of what the mag disconnect does on the High Power, and it isn't that...therefore, the Longthorne has additional safety features that the original design doesn't...and I don't like it.
 
Painkillers said:
Yes...I own a Turkish knock off. No ambi safety as it is a clone of the JMB design.
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You mean the 1960s T series. John Browning's design was quite different from the finished version refined by Deiudonne Saive, being striker fired and using a Savage-style breachblock with interrupted threads.
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Painkillers said:
I'm aware of what the mag disconnect does on the High Power, and it isn't that...therefore, the Longthorne has additional safety features that the original design doesn't...and I don't like it.
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The disconnect can be removed.

Also, it doesn't drag on the magazine, allowing it to drop free.
 
maxman1 said:
They didn't 'add' anything. The design already had a magazine disconnect, they just changed it so it doesn't cause a lousy trigger or cause the magazine to stick, and it's just as easy to remove as the original design.
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I am happy to see a high end English company release a handgun of any design and lineage. I will let the people that know something about them debate the merit of the pistol.
 
canuck said:
The Saive design dates back way before the T series - hence the "P35" designation (I expect you knew that)

The Hi Power that we all know was introduced in 1935, here's one from 1936-37ish - before the German overran the FN plant
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Yes, and the Turkish copies Painkillers was referring to, such as the Canuck and Girsan, are copies of the T Series from the 1960s, with external extractor and ring hammer, and no thumbprint.

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I’m guessing the Longthorne HP’s have slim chances of getting here: no importer or distributor here in Kanadaistan. Not here in quantity either, so the MSRP will be killer. The new FN version is U$1299.00, so add at least another $500.00 to us or so like most retailers charge.

So it appears the FN BHP approaches C$2000. OUCH, right, for a Service type gun. They cannot get away with doubling the actual complete gun price as that would discourage sales, but they double US *parts* prices & think it just fine.
 
maxman1 said:

Looks pretty slick.
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Well I'm disappointed.

The gentleman really doesn't seem to know very much about the history of his own product.

I'm not sure how he got a provisional patent for a copy of FN's GP Competition mag safety...? Maybe FN failed to patent it...
https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...--rare---like-new-in-box.cfm?gun_id=100838799

and a copy of the late Mk3 ambi safety isn't an innovation, the firing pin safety is nice, but again not an innovation.

extended tangs are nice...
 
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