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BigUglyMan

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And no, I didn't get them from work.
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Anyone got some spare 455 Webley ammo lying around?
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Estate guns I saved from the chopper. Had to give a few bucks for 'em but WTF, it pisses the Libs off so it's all to the good.
 
.455 revolver??

BigUglyMan said:
And no, I didn't get them from work.
b5971c0c.jpg

Anyone got some spare 455 Webley ammo lying around?
1a665c93.jpg


Estate guns I saved from the chopper. Had to give a few bucks for 'em but WTF, it pisses the Libs off so it's all to the good.
Is the revolver a Smith & Wesson .455 revolver,im not that familiar with these revolvers ,but i don't think it is a Colt. Is it Canadian issue??, you have a hell of a nice looking pair of handguns.
 
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Nice S&W .455... :) Getting modern ammo [Fiocchi mfg] is pricey. But you can use .45ACP dies to reload it (need a different shell holder, though)... ;)
 
x westie said:
Is the revolver a Smith & Wesson .455 revolver,im not that familiar with these revolvers ,but i don't think it is a Colt. Is it Canadian issue??, you have a hell of a nice looking pair of handguns.

It is a Smith and Wesson. Model 1917 IIRC. I can't find any rollmarks on it indicating that it was issued. I was hoping for a NWMP rollmark(I think they were issued for a time) but no such luck. My buddy is looking in his S&W books to give me a year of manufacture.

I've heard that the Fiocchi ammo costs a few bucks. Didn't realize that you could use your ACP dies to reload it. Wonder if they have the proper size shellholder for my Dillon.
 
BigUglyMan said:
It is a Smith and Wesson. Model 1917 IIRC. I can't find any rollmarks on it indicating that it was issued. I was hoping for a NWMP rollmark(I think they were issued for a time) but no such luck. My buddy is looking in his S&W books to give me a year of manufacture.

I've heard that the Fiocchi ammo costs a few bucks. Didn't realize that you could use your ACP dies to reload it. Wonder if they have the proper size shellholder for my Dillon.

I believe the correct designation for the S&W is "Hand-Ejector Mk-II". ;) :)
 
BigUglyMan said:
It is a Smith and Wesson. Model 1917 IIRC. I can't find any rollmarks on it indicating that it was issued. I was hoping for a NWMP rollmark(I think they were issued for a time) but no such luck. My buddy is looking in his S&W books to give me a year of manufacture.

I've heard that the Fiocchi ammo costs a few bucks. Didn't realize that you could use your ACP dies to reload it. Wonder if they have the proper size shellholder for my Dillon.

I think the NWMP/RCMP had the Colt New Service in .455 which was dropped in favour of the M-10 S&W .38 Special in the '50's. Interestingly enough, there was an old fellow here that was a NWMP member, and he had a small caliber S&W revolver with NWMP markings. After he died the gun went to an RCMP member who was a collector of RCMP regalia. I wish I had paid more attention to it now, because I can't remember if it was a .38 Special, S&W, or Long...or it may of even been a .32. The federal cops in those days may of had more than one issue gun.
 
As already pointed out, the .455 S&W Second Model (not Mk-II) Hand Ejector revolver was never Mounted Police issue - rather, they began replacing their .476 Enfield revolvers (in service since the early 1880's) with the Colt New Service revolver, chambered in .455, around 1904. Canada had acquired about 1000 Colt New Service revolvers - chambered in .45 Colt - around 1900, for military use during the Boer War - but the RNWMP Colt revolvers were .455 caliber. Following formation of the RCMP in the 1920s, by amalgamation of the RNWMP with the Dominion Police, the Force also purchased that same model in .45 Colt. However, to minimize ammunition supply problems, the .455 version was kept as standard issue in the western Provinces and Territories and the .45's were issued to personnel in Ontario and further east.

However, this model of S&W revolver was Canada's primary military handgun during World War I - about 14,500 of them were acquired in 1915 and 1916 (in addition to 5000 .45ACP M1911 colt pistols in 1914.) Does your revolver have any Canadian government markings, such as the C-broadarrow? Not that absence of such markings is a problem - pistols were primarily an officer's weapon, and officers were then required to supply all of their own kit, including weapons, at their own expense. Thus, the majority of the pistols acquired by the Government in WWI were resold to officers, and did not have any such Government ownership marks applied, as those marks would then just have had to be "cancelled".

My own S&W 2nd Mod. Hand Ejector (also sometimes referred to as the "New Century" model) is one example - it bears no Canadian Govt. markings, but I have a provenance letter from the S&W Historian confirming that it was shipped on December 24, 1915 to "Canadian Government, Ottawa, Canada".

For more information about 20th Century Canadian military handguns, you may find this online photo essay (... authored by "yours truly"... :) ) of some interest:
http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/weapons/pistols.htm
 
GrantR said:
Does your revolver have any Canadian government markings, such as the C-broadarrow?

There is one mark straight aft of the cylinder latch, a C with an * inside it.
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You can get the gist of it from the pic. Had a helluva time getting one to turn out.
 
The C broadarrow is the property mark. The C with two broadarrows tip to tip, like yours are the sale mark. The revolver was officially released from government ownership. Not unofficially liberated. Lovely old revolver.
 
B.U.M.:
If "things historical" interest you, you can get a provenance letter from the S&W historian, Roy Jinks, for the "bargain" price (relative to Colt letters, at least) of only US$30:
S&W history letter request link
For that price, I think that the value of your firearm, for collector purposes, is likely to be increased by at least the cost of the letter, even if all you get is the "standard information" usually provided: i.e. the general history and features of that model, together with the basic particulars for that particular firearm (caliber, barrel length, finish and grip types when made, plus date of shipping and to whom). Can't say the same thing for a Colt letter costing $150 and up, which most likely will say nothing more than that.

mercury:
There is only one Canadian distributor/dealer listed on the FiocchiUSA website:
http://www.fiocchiusa.com/dealers/canada/vancouver.php
 
BigUglyMan,

You did very well. Where did you get that lanyard? I need one for an Adams Patent for display in a shadow box.

John
 
mercuryv8 said:
I would like to get my hands on some of that .455 colt ammunition...Fiocchi mfg ??? Is their a canadian supplier...I live in norther Alberta...Edmonton is the closest big city Any help is appreciated Nic

One of our local shops has a bunch of the fresh Fiocchi ammo in .455 . It's about $55 for a box of 50, though... :eek:
 
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